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Well, Obama specifically excludes the jobs bill, the stimulus, and hcr.

US agribusiness subsidy is a huge target, for example.

But my fundamental critique of the US "progressives" is that their message doesn't seem to have any hopes of having a positive effect. I mean, telling the reformist government that it sucks may be therapeutic, but what is it supposed to accomplish?

by rootless2 on Wed Jan 27th, 2010 at 11:16:37 AM EST
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Agribusiness subsidies, though that will be very ugly, politically.

These "progressives" (a term which means not so much to me) may not be all that convinced that Obama is a reformer. Clearly that would seem to be both Krugman and Stiglitz case.

We'll see. Though, if Obama were really in the pocket of the interests he's'going after, it'd'be far easier for him to score a few victories...

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs

by redstar on Wed Jan 27th, 2010 at 12:51:20 PM EST
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Going after the US agribusiness subsidies?

Is he purposely trying to commit political suicide?


Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Wed Jan 27th, 2010 at 01:19:44 PM EST
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they say he's going to ask congress for 'don't ask' to be dropped for the military.

following the clinton playbook, keep him away from cigars...

"It's very hard to see what is kept invisible" Roseanne Barr

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jan 27th, 2010 at 07:16:07 PM EST
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Well you know, we (progressives) are a pessimistic lot. We are trying to stave a looming disaster so quite often we come off as negative.

The right doesn't have that problem. Their vision of the future is endlessly sunny. Oil, we just need to drill, baby drill. Global warming, heck it is 30 below outside, Jobs, we just need to lower taxes.

Their arguments are infantile but they carry the day amongst a population that can only be described as delusional.

It's hard to sell sustainability. It's hard to tell people that US cities are unsustainable. Suburbs in the US will prove the costliest bet ever made in human history.

by Charles Lemos on Thu Jan 28th, 2010 at 08:00:36 AM EST
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rootless2:
But my fundamental critique of the US "progressives" is that their message doesn't seem to have any hopes of having a positive effect. I mean, telling the reformist government that it sucks may be therapeutic, but what is it supposed to accomplish?

It would seem to me that you are treating a loose group of people as an organization. Individuals and organizations act, but a loose group of people do not act, they react.

I would say in general they are reacting to feeling let down by the promises of the campaign. Which in turn is predictable after a campaign that successfully held up empty words like "hope" and "change" and let the voters project their favourite policies on it. After winning on such terms it would have took great propaganda efforts - constant campaigning if you will - to keep the supporters to see their favourite policies as the long term result of the actual policies enacted.

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Jan 28th, 2010 at 08:33:20 AM EST
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they actually are organized in large parts. not in the sense of a popular movement, but in the sense of a funded and structured organization.
by rootless2 on Thu Jan 28th, 2010 at 04:42:35 PM EST
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