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actually, you can't just switch on coal, that's why coal too is base load. And even with combined cycle gas, the turbine needs to be in a sort of stand by mode to be able to go full load in a short period without shortening the life expectancy too much (and incurring higher O&M costs)

From what I have heard, this standby in Spain is sometimes not profitable anymore as the lucrative peak opportunities are less and less (and lower (!)), therefore owners of CCPP are actually thinking of shutting down their plants for good!

This brings up a whole new set of challanges...

by crankykarsten (cranky (where?) gmx dot organisation) on Wed Feb 3rd, 2010 at 07:34:31 AM EST
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owners of CCPP are actually thinking of shutting down their plants for good!

You know, I have trouble believing this. I could understand utilities being reluctant to invest in new gas-fired plants as they know the capacity factor will be less than required. But existing plants should used as long as it's cash-flow positive, and I don't see that it's not the case often enough to keep the plants spinning.

Do you have public data on this? Is this just political posturing by the utilities?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 3rd, 2010 at 11:05:37 AM EST
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probably a bit of both. I don't have any real data of a  CCPP in Spain incl the relevant price contracts/mechanisms (though maybe I can try to get some...?), this is only from converstations with people who have thought or are thinking of building CCPPs in Spain and muse about the current situation, so it should be taken with a grain of salt. Sorry, should have made that clearer in my post.
by crankykarsten (cranky (where?) gmx dot organisation) on Thu Feb 4th, 2010 at 03:09:26 AM EST
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