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LQD: Energy policy for slow learners
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Here
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here
are two good overviews, unfortunately, both are in German.
Cleaning of raw silicon requires hydrogen chloride. Not toxic but acidic, however, it is used in a closed circle (maybe excepting China).
The manufacture of solar cells involves a range of acidic liquids, including smaller amounts of toxic bromides and phosphorides and hydrofluoric acid. These again are used in a closed circle (but that doesn't necessarily happen outside the West, including contract work for manufacturers in the West).
The manufacture of cells also involves the toxic gas silane, and the manufacture of the latter involves silicon tetrachloride. The latter can be recycled (unfortunately with the known exception of some manufacturers in China).
The manufacture of modules involves glues.
The energy input of the manufacture is produced by the cell in 3-7 years.
The silicon in solar cells can be recycled with less energy input than that for the preparation of newly mined silcon.
Of course, there is development on all these fields. For example, manufacturers are beginning to implement pre-financed recycling (f.e. First Solar), possibly pre-empting the requirement for greenfiield solar parks applicable from this year in Germany. Using less of the acidic liquids and better recycling of these also contributed/contributes to the reduction of production costs.
*Lunatic*, n.
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DoDo
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Wed Feb 3rd, 2010 at 02:55:53 PM EST
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I'm surprised by the 3-7 years energy payback (though i'm not a solar expert at all.) utility-scale turbines are 9 months or so, obviously depending upon the site resource.
"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
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Wed Feb 3rd, 2010 at 03:06:37 PM EST
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Making the Si is energy-intensive. I suspect thought that this source (the first link) is dated: 3 years was quoted as the ballpark figure 5 years ago already, and the multi-100MW-a-year-scale factories brought energy use down.
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Wed Feb 3rd, 2010 at 04:25:57 PM EST
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Huh. Checking on the site list, the article is dated 13.09.1999 -- definitely outdated.
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Wed Feb 3rd, 2010 at 04:32:09 PM EST
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To highlight the development of production efficiency; First Solar
claims 0.98 $/W
production costs, a cut by two thirds(!) in five years.
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