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Would she come out and say that publicly?
Surely not :)
marco:
if she has a valid point insofar as she identifies extremists
Oh, identifying extremists is a valid way of presenting what one claims to be broad social phenomena?
no. but your point is well taken. identifying and discussing extremists is treacherous stuff (no pun intended), as post-9/11 Bushism has made all too clear (again). but just because this sort of discourse is sometimes often conducted in bad faith and abused , it does not mean that where there is smoke, there is never fire. and regarding some of the issues that Badinter brings up, i think there is evidence of fire, since i have come into contact with it myself. of course, i may be in the extreme minority and the fire may be minute. but since there is very little public discussion about it -- and because i haven't dug into sociological statistics and research papers about it -- i cannot say. that Badinter points to these issues in her book and interviews turned what i thought to be a fringe phenomenon limited to my atypical personal experience into one that might concern more people than i had imagined. The march of civilizations is a series of defenses that man has put up against the dread of pure existence.
Anecdote: in hour or two I'll be at the for-the-moment-fortnightly delivery meeting of our local food association. Plenty of people there who'd rather feed their kids fresh produce than stuff from the Lidl down the road. Yet all the women there have jobs. Some are greener-minded than others, so washable nappies are probably on the agenda for those. Possibly among these couples (a high proportion of youngish ones with children), tasks are more equally shared between the partners, making the choice possible. There are more women than men who come to pick their orders up at the delivery point, but the association is overwhelmingly composed of and supported by couples, not just the mums alone.
As to breastfeeding, I shall have to conduct an enquiry. Maternal leave makes it an option (though maternal leave is considered a career drawback by many, particularly employers). As to vaccination, there are surely some anti-vaccinites in the group, and just as surely some pro-, and some in the middle (like this forum?). But I don't get the impression, at all, that I'm surrounded by obscurantists or that the women I meet there are under cultural pressure to be traditional home-makers and child-rearers.
If one were able to put together some data on this, I think it would be necessary at the same time to compare the sales graphs of ready-made processed foodstuffs that get three minutes in the microwave because it saves time. My (anecdotal but certain) impression is that the supermarket space devoted to these products has increased many-fold over the last couple of decades. My feeling is that, if there is a broad social phenomenon to study in all this, it would be that aspect first and foremost. I wonder if Elisabeth Badinter discusses it much in her book.
Nor I. Searching for excerpts and extracts -- in particular, any that might contain sociological data on which she bases her arguments -- I came upon a very good blog post/review (in French), which interestingly quotes Badinter admitting that the social developments she critiques are still peripheral in France:
Pour l'heure, les Françaises échappent au dilemne du tout ou rien. Elles avaient déjà bien résisté aux oukases de certains pédiatres ; tiendront-elles face à ceux des naturalismes ? Sauront-elles imposer leurs désirs et leur volonté contre le discours rampant de la culpabilité ?. Et de conclure "Il semble que les jeunes femmes continuent largement à n'en faire qu'à leur tête. Jusqu'à quand ?
For the moment, French women have escaped the all or nothing dilemma. They've resisted well enough the fatwās [ukases in the original French] of certain pediatricians; will they stand up to those of the naturalists? Will they be able to affirm their own desires and will against the rampant rhetoric of guilt? And to ensure that "It seems that young women continue to much as they please" will remain true. Until when?
This blogger links to two other reviews/commentaries on other French blogs, as well as several media links. The march of civilizations is a series of defenses that man has put up against the dread of pure existence.
En aparté - Chroniques autour de la conciliation vie privée / vie professionnelle et des valeurs du travail
"Le conflit : la femme et la mère" d'Elisabeth Badinter
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