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Bonus bridge blogging: trains don't like elastic bridges and vice versa, so suspension and cable-stayed bridges are rare on high-speed lines. However, there are exceptions with reinforced bridge deck. The WuGuang line crosses the Yangtze River at Wuhan on the lower level of the Tianxingzhou Bridge, which at 504 m is currently the longest-span combined road-rail cable-stayed bridge in the world.

(See a larger version of the above photo, and several other photos of the bridge at SkyscraperCity.)

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by DoDo on Sun Feb 21st, 2010 at 04:07:14 PM EST
One of the photos I used was retouched rather crudely by its author. I tried to do away with the edges, but still something is not there that should be there. Can you spot it?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Feb 21st, 2010 at 04:31:46 PM EST
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well on the A CRH3 (Siemens Velaro CN) on the elevated track of the then new Beijing-Tianjin high-speed line. picture isnt there a vertical tower missing from just in front of the train? (Leaving the suspension gear hovering in midair)?

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by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Feb 21st, 2010 at 04:45:17 PM EST
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You've got it! And this is from a press release by giant multinational Siemens -- a crude job fully visible in their 300dpi version... But that was the best image for the purpose I could find.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Feb 21st, 2010 at 05:11:04 PM EST
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Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Feb 21st, 2010 at 05:37:36 PM EST
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As described in the diary, all key elements fo China's high-speed revolution were imported. However, I find the foreign input is often completely omitted in domestic PR, which for example declares that a train is completely domestic production, while in truth engines and bogies still come from Europe.

Such practice is common especially for what became the largest Chinese high-speed train family, the Japanese-origin CRH2. And what's when the Japanese origin is recognised? On some rail forum I read Google-translated, several users gloated how "we shame the Japanese Imperialists" with that future 350 (380) km/h version: it is faster than anything made in Japan. (Then again, it's not that Shinkansens don't go faster because they can't... they just have to mind noise issues, braking distances and energy economics more.)

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by DoDo on Sun Feb 21st, 2010 at 04:42:33 PM EST
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There long term game plan is to get their hands on the technology and become fully competitive with the US and Europe. I'd be willing to bet that they will succeed in the plan and it won't be all that long before they do.

There is probably an increasing possibility that there will be a growing alliance with the Japanese.

 

by Richard Lyon (rllyon@gmail.com) on Sun Feb 21st, 2010 at 05:10:52 PM EST
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By the nature and relative scales of the high-speed market, it's not even about the much-touted "being competitive" but being self-sufficient.

Though high-speed operation might have a few rough years in this decade, what this many high-speed lines mean is gaining unrivalled experience.

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by DoDo on Sun Feb 21st, 2010 at 05:35:24 PM EST
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It would be nice if the level of rail construction activity in the EU would be even just half of what it is in China -- corrected for population, at least Spain's is on a similar level. But, I am asking like last time, where does this leave the USA?

The $8 billion Obama gave to 13 projects last month is welcome good news, but won't cover the bulk of the cost of the just two high-speed projects included. So, anyone moaning that in high-speed rail it's the USA that's a developing country?

Well, the USA has a well-developed (and funded) anti-rail lobby that is shrill beyond anything we know in Europe (we got a taste from a commenter in Phoenix on the Delaware). And naturally, this lobby was fast with a preemptive strike.The week before the WuGuang line opened, as nanne quoted in the Salon:

China's Speeding Bullet-Train Program May Brake Economic Growth - Bloomberg.com

The line is part of China's 2 trillion yuan ($292.9 billion) investment in a nationwide high-speed passenger-rail network that may be too much train, too fast.

The time savings that the new system delivers may not justify the cost, creating a potential drag on long-term growth, said Michael Pettis, former head of emerging markets at Bear Stearns Cos. The losers are Chinese consumers, who will have to wait for new health-care and old-age benefits while the government focuses on public-works spending, he said.

While the expanded service will be a "trophy" for China, the country "already has probably the best infrastructure in the world for its level of development," said Pettis, now a finance professor at Peking University.

Someone can't get/really hates Keynesian deficit spending in downturns...

More anti-CRH ramblings from the USA covered by nanne again and marco more recently.

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by DoDo on Sun Feb 21st, 2010 at 05:06:45 PM EST
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Someone can't get/really hates Keynesian deficit spending in downturns...

I guess it needs to get worse before it can get better. After all, the recession that started in August 1929 lasted 4 1/2 years until FDR was inaugurated. Whereas Obama was inaugurated barely 13 months into the recession that started in December 2007 and which still hasn't ended despite the stimulus.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Feb 21st, 2010 at 05:10:32 PM EST
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It also went back to being a recession in 1937 when FDR took an economic turn to the right. Obama seems to be doing it even quicker.
by Richard Lyon (rllyon@gmail.com) on Sun Feb 21st, 2010 at 05:13:38 PM EST
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So, what will happen when a Republican wins in 2012?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Feb 21st, 2010 at 05:20:05 PM EST
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political asylum becomes an EU issue
by paving on Mon Feb 22nd, 2010 at 05:24:17 PM EST
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Well at least the US and EU are talking about it.  AU just canceled the only significant rail investment this year with the end of the Sydney metro.  AU could easily justify HSR from Melbourne to Brisbane via Canberra and Sydney, and also Melbourne-Adelaide would be viable at just 160km/hr (it currently averages about 60km/hr due to a longer route than the road and low priority).  We get excited when the government promises to add 5km of commuter line (at $530M).
by njh on Sun Feb 21st, 2010 at 05:48:22 PM EST
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the end of the Sydney metro

Is that not more strongly related to the crisis of the NSW government? Looking at the other urban networks, Perth's had a solid development over the past two decades, and while Melbourne burned its fingers with (and still won't admit the failure of) privatisation, Victoria is investing in projects as big as the Regional Rail Link or Melbourne Metro. (It's still nowhere near Chinese scales, of course.)

AU could easily justify HSR from Melbourne to Brisbane via Canberra and Sydney

Yeah, Australia could have been a Pacific Rim high-speed pioneer, but a certain past PM with Thatcherite positions killed the Sydney-Canberra Speedrail ten years ago -- no wonder Sydney-Melbourne is now the world's third busiest air link. And Kevin Rudd, though promising a rail reviwal in his election campaign and again a spending boost as stimulus, is not too ambitious. I read last month though that there is lobbying from the rail sector:

Political will needed to move high speed rail forward -- Rail Express

"The time has come when HS rail can move people very efficiently, fast and safely with a much lower greenhouse impact than aviation," ARA chief executive Bryan Nye told Rail Express.
"With that in mind, and also bearing in mind the potential route for Australia such as the Sydney-Melbourne corridor being the third busiest air corridor in the world, clearly it is time for Australia to look at HS rail again."
The figures speak for themselves, according to Brett Hughes of Australia's CRC for Rail Innovation, which is currently conducting research into the applicability of HS rail in Australia.
Based on European experience, the potential modal share for HS rail in Australia compared with air travel is estimated to be about 90 per cent Sydney-Canberra, about 70 per cent Melbourne-Canberra and more than 50 per cent Melbourne-Sydney, Hughes said.
The CRC's Dr Michael Charles detailed CRC's research in a presentation to AusRAIL PLUS delegates yesterday, stating that there is definitely "some sort" of political interest germinating around the issue.


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by DoDo on Mon Feb 22nd, 2010 at 03:46:38 AM EST
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I'm not so sanguine: apart from the AS-Darwin railway there has been no major investment in rail in 80 years.  There are no votes in it, strong anti-lobbies and a spineless govt.
by njh on Mon Feb 22nd, 2010 at 05:17:59 PM EST
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AS-Darwin was long, but it's a low-speed single-track diesel line with few stations and no major superstructures: it was A$1.2 billion total. In contrast, the aforementioned Melbourne projects are A$4 and A$7 billion, Sydney's Chatswood-Epping line was A$2.3 billion. Then again, we are comparing urban and long-distance -- and indeed apart from the heavy-haul mine railways (like Fortescue's new A$930 million Pilbara line), there have only been bypasses and re-gauging (and seemingly endless debates about the Inland Railway).

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by DoDo on Mon Feb 22nd, 2010 at 06:15:10 PM EST
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I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs
by redstar on Mon Feb 22nd, 2010 at 03:35:25 PM EST
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It was designed by a domestic architect.

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by DoDo on Mon Feb 22nd, 2010 at 04:09:00 PM EST
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As in cuisine and clothing design, the Chinese have some serious style...

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs
by redstar on Mon Feb 22nd, 2010 at 04:41:29 PM EST
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