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Good for Serbia!
Everything comes with a cost...this seems not to be that expensive...
by vbo on Fri Mar 5th, 2010 at 12:51:14 AM EST
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is this Serbia becoming chinas equivalent of the USA's UK in europe?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Mar 5th, 2010 at 05:12:07 AM EST
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I thought Serbia was Russia's?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Mar 5th, 2010 at 05:14:03 AM EST
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You were wrong.Serbia ( let alone Yugoslavia ) never was Russian ( as opposed to East Europe).Even "love" between Stalin and Tito did not last long ( till 1948 ).All tho we always had "brotherhood" feelings toward Russians ( which are more legends then anything of real closeness) they did not always come to help us when it was critical.They had their own interests.We have ours.
by vbo on Fri Mar 5th, 2010 at 06:14:28 AM EST
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I'm not talking about Tito's Yugoslavia, I'm talking about the international alliances at the time of the Balkan wars, the respective positions on Kosovo, and things like that. Supposedly Russia was more of an advocate for Serbia's positions even if, as you say, they had their interests and you had yours.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Mar 5th, 2010 at 07:00:54 AM EST
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Russia is not only one in the world that would not recognize independence of Kosovo. And it wasn't only one that has seen Balkan wars from many different angles ( as opposed to western view).But here we are not even talking about Russia.We are talking about China that is offering cheep loans with no strings attached to many ex YU countries.This may be good for Serbia too.
by vbo on Fri Mar 5th, 2010 at 09:21:14 AM EST
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Do you remember this incident?
Following the Kosovo War, from 12 to 26 June 1999 there was a brief but tense standoff between NATO and the Russian Kosovo Force (KFOR) in which Russian troops occupied the airport. After securing an agreement by which Russian forces would be integrated into peacekeeping duties, independent of NATO, Pristina Airport was reactivated as a military airport on 15 October 1999 and then started to operate international air transport to several European cities. During that period of time the Russian KFOR along with other NATO forces were in charge for security of the airport. Airport Pristina initially began its operations with 45 employees.


En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Mar 5th, 2010 at 10:12:18 AM EST
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Yes I remember this but it is only to say that Russians sold us Serbs (again) for their own interest and deals...they left later.

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Russian troops occupied the airport
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And NATO troops ocupied Kosovo.And they are still persisting on an ilegal proclamation of independance.
But you will not see that this way...so it's a waste of time to talk about it...
It is one thing to sand UN troops in a CIVIL war to try to make peace and totaly another thing to ilegaly bomb country and ocupay part of it's teritory, put military bases and recognize ilegal independance.

by vbo on Fri Mar 5th, 2010 at 07:50:49 PM EST
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they are still persisting on an ilegal proclamation of independance.
But you will not see that this way...so it's a waste of time to talk about it...

How many times do I have to say that I disagree with Kosovo's independence and that Spain hasn't recognised it?

Do you actually pay attention to what people say?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Mar 6th, 2010 at 03:53:35 AM EST
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I do not know why I sometimes have a feeling that you are saying exactly opposite of what you want to say :( .Sorry.
And yes I get a little bit defensive when it comes to Serbs being blamed for everything "including global warming" ( sarcasm).
by vbo on Sat Mar 6th, 2010 at 08:59:35 AM EST
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I wouldn't say so.As you can see if you read this article , China is stepping also in Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia and even even Greece. They are doing smart thing.
by vbo on Fri Mar 5th, 2010 at 06:16:43 AM EST
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depends how many serbs get put out of work because of artificially cheap slave laboured imports, i'd think.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Mar 5th, 2010 at 09:06:18 AM EST
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Many Serbs are out of work as we speak thanks to privatization and China did not buy much in Serbia...westerners and Russians did. There is not much of the Made in China staff in Serbia  as opposed to for example Australia where everything you touch is made in China...and Australia is not doing bad nowadays.
Labor is still cheep in Serbia...I have seen last summer that actually western products (very expensive) are everywhere in shops...not much of the domestic. Even if they import "made in China" it will only make Serbian lives easier cause that's going to be much cheaper.
Serbs do not produce very much today...excluding agriculture...unfortunately...or maybe not.
As of what we know is that China will give cheap loan to Serbia and mostly for infrastructure...
by vbo on Fri Mar 5th, 2010 at 09:33:39 AM EST
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But do not get me wrong I would rather have western staff that I have seen in Belgrade in Australian shops than this China shit...it's cheap but it's of very poor quality.Good for masses.At least here in Australia everyone has a feeling that he can buy everything.
by vbo on Fri Mar 5th, 2010 at 10:13:36 AM EST
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