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Migeru: Is profit the same thing as "return on capital"?

Maybe in some cases.  But I guess in most cases profit depends on labor as well as capital, so "return on capital" would be an incomplete and therefore inaccurate description of profit.

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by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Thu Feb 4th, 2010 at 06:22:06 PM EST
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But I guess in most cases profit depends on labor as well as capital, so "return on capital" would be an incomplete and therefore inaccurate description of profit.

Bingo. So you're saying rentier profit is theft...

But I think you're conflating profit and surplus. How about in most cases surplus depends on labor as well as capital, in which case "return on capital" can describe profit, and the surplus is divided between profit and wages?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 5th, 2010 at 06:05:45 AM EST
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Only if you pretend that the determination of the rate at which surplus accrues to the different factors of production is not a political matter.

If it is a political matter, then "return on capital" and "return on labour" are misleading and one should rather speak of "value added" by the production process as a whole, and "value captured" by different parties to the production.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Feb 5th, 2010 at 06:15:48 AM EST
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Nothing to debate there...

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 5th, 2010 at 06:26:07 AM EST
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