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That would be a pretty unhealthy concern:  high labor costs for little value added resulting in diminished profits.  Poor shareholders.

The march of civilizations is a series of defenses that man has put up against the dread of pure existence.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Thu Feb 4th, 2010 at 06:31:54 PM EST
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Define 'shareholders' and explain why they should have special treatment.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Feb 4th, 2010 at 07:16:48 PM EST
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First of all, I did not bring up shareholders, JakeS did.  (Wikipedia and Dictionary.com on shareholders.)  Second, where did I ever imply, much less state, that shareholders should have 'special treatment'?  Third, though I admit it was probably not well done, I intended the phrase 'poor shareholders' to be semi-ironic, for my sympathy for shareholders is generally tepid at best.  Fourth, the non-ironic part of that phrase referred to the fact that shareholders in such a scenario would be getting screwed by unscrupulous or incompetent upper managers who were lowering the profits that the shareholders would otherwise benefit from (either directly as dividends or indirectly through higher stock values) by inflating their own (i.e. upper management's) labor cost.

The march of civilizations is a series of defenses that man has put up against the dread of pure existence.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Fri Feb 5th, 2010 at 02:00:31 AM EST
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Traditionally, the distinction between profits and wages is that wages are paid according to specific terms and conditions, while profits are what's left of the surplus when you've paid the wages. Profits, in other words, are the cashflow equivalent of equity, while wages is the cashflow equivalent of liabilities.

Another traditional view holds that profits accrue to those who own productive assets, while wages are paid to those who do not own the productive assets they employ.

But when you move up into the upper reaches of the organisation, both of these distinctions blur (in many of the bonus schemes lavished on upper management, they have all but disappeared). Management salaries become partly contingent on shareholder profits (or, in a more pernicious version, share prices). And management, not shareholders, are the ones who actually exercise control over the productive assets of the firm. Combined with the fact that upper management is very rarely fired for cause - they are normally bought out through golden parachutes - this raises a very real question as to whether the management cannot be said to co-own the assets in question, and thus whether their remuneration should be regarded as wage or profit.

This is not an entirely theoretical exercise. Non-profit organisations are permitted to pay market rates for management services, which means that when a non-profit becomes sufficiently large and complex (and "market rates" for upper management therefore take on an increasingly profit-like aspect), there is reason to question whether it does not, de facto, generate profit.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Feb 5th, 2010 at 06:11:09 AM EST
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