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This diary needs to be fleshed out a bit. For example, the missionary case seems to have been a case of mistaken identity, unfortunate circumstances, and poor judgement, not direct targeting of innocent Americans (as if nationality would have made a difference).

I would like to know why nationality makes a difference.  The police kill suspected dangerous felons every day in many countries based on their observation of crimes in progress.  Sometimes mistakes are made and these are most regrettable, but that doesn't change the protective responsibility/role of law enforcement.  I don't disagree that great care and judicial process should be taken/considered in dealing with dangerous criminals/terrorists, who often are wanted dead or alive, but the devil is in the details -lets see some policy details.  Does anyone know? Should citizenship make a difference?  To me the targeting of terrorists with drone aircraft presents a much greater problem since innocent civilians may be present.

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by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Fri Feb 5th, 2010 at 06:43:44 PM EST
I think this has to do with the tradition of political theory. For example, Locke holds that in the state of nature, the right to self-preservation takes precedence over the right of others not to be harmed by you, so that if you are starving, and there is someone who has food who does not want to give it to you, you have the right to kill that person if there is no other way of getting his food. When government is created, people cede their right to do violence to others to the state, because the state extends its protection to them as equals. People who have entered into a "contract" with the state, creating it, are citizens. Thus, citizens do not have the same obligation to non-citizens as they do to other citizens, since they never entered into an agreement with these "others" not to do harm to them.

This makes war more palatable, obviously, since in a (non-civil) war, you kill citizens of another country.

As for "collateral damage" by drone aircraft targeting "terrorists", that has to do with another set of issues, the principles of war (and hence the Geneva Conventions). (But it's not even clear that drone aircraft are engaged in war in any other than a metaphorical sense, since they are involved in covert assassinations, not any kind of military actions. Thus their killing even of alleged "terrorists" is illegal under international law, not just that of "civilians".)

Usually one thinks of national law and one's rights as a citizen as more "fundamental" than international law, so there is a sense in which their own government assassinating Americans abroad is more barbaric than the US government's indiscriminate killing of civilians.

But really, all these are fine distinctions. The fact of the matter is that the US has become a rogue state, killing anyone it wants at will, and this is tolerated by its allies, because it has military and other kinds of power over them.

A bomb, H bomb, Minuteman / The names get more attractive / The decisions are made by NATO / The press call it British opinion -- The Three Johns

by Alexander on Fri Feb 5th, 2010 at 07:21:08 PM EST
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But it's not even clear that drone aircraft are engaged in war in any other than a metaphorical sense, since they are involved in covert assassinations, not any kind of military actions. Thus their killing even of alleged "terrorists" is illegal under international law, not just that of "civilians".

LOL wut?

It's only war if you can see the whites of their eyes, otherwise it's assasination? What about artillery, or bog standard air-dropped bombs?

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by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sat Feb 6th, 2010 at 04:48:57 PM EST
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Emphasis on "assassinations," not on "covert."

Whether these "terrorists" are actually members of a military organisation engaged in hostilities with the United States of America or any of their allies is very much up in the air (no pun intended).

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Feb 11th, 2010 at 07:41:51 PM EST
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The missionary case was an 'assassinate illegal drug exporters' policy, more than likely pushed on Peru by the U.S.

fairleft
by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Sat Feb 6th, 2010 at 12:23:15 AM EST
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I should've described it as an 'assassinate alleged illegal drug exporters' policy.

fairleft
by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Sat Feb 6th, 2010 at 12:24:18 AM EST
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The policy details are secret, the playbook the assassins are working under is secret. In fact intelligence chief Blair expressed regret over releasing a few limited details.

That's part of the problem: we need a law (preferably a detailed one) spelling out a judicial branch check on assassinations proposed by the executive branch. That's how the U.S. Constitutional system of checks and balances is supposed to work. If we had that, then at least we would know that a quasi-independent eye had gone over the justifications and evidence related to a proposed assassination and given the okay or not.

Instead, our system is 'trust us'. And we know from the number of innocent prisoners in Gitmo, Abu Ghraib, and Bagram, and other U.S.-managed hellholes that the U.S. is wrong much more often than it is right about who is or isn't a 'bad guy'.

fairleft

by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Sat Feb 6th, 2010 at 01:10:28 AM EST
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As far as I can understand, assassinations are unconstitutional by definition, since the target doesn't get to be present at a trial.

The only way I can see of justifying them would be to consider them to be precise military strikes that are part of a larger war effort, but if that's what they are, then "assassinations" are a poor name for them.

This is just one example of the inevitable lawlessness that the concept "war on terror" leads to.

A bomb, H bomb, Minuteman / The names get more attractive / The decisions are made by NATO / The press call it British opinion -- The Three Johns

by Alexander on Sat Feb 6th, 2010 at 02:19:06 AM EST
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I agree, but I guess there are two issues here: 1, the illegality of assassinating anyone, and 2, the end of Constitutional safeguards when the entire decision on whether or not to kill is the President's alone. They're both morally wrong and post-Constitutional.

fairleft
by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Sat Feb 6th, 2010 at 10:01:38 PM EST
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