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It may be that the 3% public debt limit in the Stability and Growth Pact is too tight.

I don't see why. It's a useful number to instill some budgetary discipline in normal to poor years, and by and large it has worked. It's no a constraint in severe recessions, as current numbers show. It's a good medium target to have to return to "normal."

The number was selected as that which makes debt remain constant at 60% of GDP at "normal" growth rates, which is not an absurd goal on its face.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 5th, 2010 at 10:55:27 AM EST
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Because the GDP growth rate swing between peak and trough can be as much as 8% or more.

So, if the deficit limit is 3% what is the guideline yearly budget surplus governments should be running? 5%? A 3% debt limit assumes the GDP rate swing will be something of the order of 4% and is a consequence of bullshit "great moderation" "we tamed the business cycle" "small government" neoliberal bullshit.

It makes a whole lot more sense to have an over-the-cycle guideline and to force states to run budget surpluses in the growth years instead off saying that a 1% deficit when GDP is growing at 4% is A-OK just because the deficit is less than 3% and the debt less than 60%.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 5th, 2010 at 11:02:12 AM EST
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The number was selected as that which makes debt remain constant at 60% of GDP at "normal" growth rates
I'm assuming that's a back-of-the-envelope calculation. Can you spell it out for me? I just don't see it.

Also, please remember to mention whether one needs to assume that "the recession is an outlier" in the definition of "'normal' growth rates".

What size of the government revenue as a fraction of GDP is assumed for the calculation?

How long and deep is the business cycle assumed to be in the calculation?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 5th, 2010 at 11:16:59 AM EST
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In addition, I thought debt at 60% GDP was not a guideline value but the maximum allowed. As such, it shouldn't be the target during "normal growth".

Also, the 3% was also supposed to be a maximum allowed deficit, not a guideline value during normal growth.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 5th, 2010 at 11:25:33 AM EST
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