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anyone know how to get one's home phone number removed from telemarketing lists in France?

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by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Feb 9th, 2010 at 11:26:56 AM EST
The only way is to go on the liste rouge which means you're no longer in the phone book (and you have to pay for it).

You can ask to be put on the liste orange that doesn't have those two drawbacks, but it doesn't change a thing.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Feb 9th, 2010 at 11:33:29 AM EST
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thanks for the info.

The march of civilizations is a series of defenses that man has put up against the dread of pure existence.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Feb 9th, 2010 at 11:42:57 AM EST
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filter your calls violently, especially weekdays 5-8pm and Saturday mornings. tell your friends to call you on the mobile and let the other phone ring... Why do you even have a fixed line anyway?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 9th, 2010 at 12:18:39 PM EST
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Some people (as in, a lot) need it for Internet. ADSL?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Feb 9th, 2010 at 12:30:32 PM EST
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remove the bell from your landline phone, and only ever answer your mobile (or even disconnect your landline phone from its socket) have it there just for emergencies.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Feb 9th, 2010 at 01:01:49 PM EST
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it's my mother's set-up on Orange.  she does have a mobile, but i guess her mobile plan is a very limited one, mainly for emergencies. for general calls it's much cheaper to use the landline.

the problem we have is that we get lots of calls from overseas and people using Skype, so when "ID MASQUEE" or some bizarre sequence of digits shows up on caller id, it's hard to tell if it's a telemarketer or my brother in India or some random friend in Minnesota.

The march of civilizations is a series of defenses that man has put up against the dread of pure existence.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Feb 9th, 2010 at 01:25:20 PM EST
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I'm not sure, but does France have caller id? If so, you could get this service and only pick-up the phone on recognized numbers of people you wish to speak with.

Another solution is to get an answering machine and pick up only if someone is leaving a message that you actually wish to speak to.

I'm not sure sure if these would be seen as rude in France, but these tactics are/were commonly done in the U.S.

by Magnifico on Tue Feb 9th, 2010 at 01:14:43 PM EST
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thanks, but see my response to jerome above.

The march of civilizations is a series of defenses that man has put up against the dread of pure existence.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Feb 9th, 2010 at 01:26:41 PM EST
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Okay. I think the best approach, considering the funky numbers and the 'ID MASQUEE', is to have an answering machine where you can hear the caller leaving a message. Pick up the phone if and only if the person leaving a message is someone you wish to speak with.

In my experience, telemarketers hang up the moment they figure out they're talking to a recording.

by Magnifico on Tue Feb 9th, 2010 at 01:41:15 PM EST
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Probably right.  Plus, it's a good excuse excuse to replace the crap telephones that came with the service.

The march of civilizations is a series of defenses that man has put up against the dread of pure existence.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Wed Feb 10th, 2010 at 02:19:13 AM EST
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When you open a new phone line with Orange, they start selling your number to telemarketers right off the door, unless you contact their customer service to be put on the "do not sell" list (the ironically called "liste orange").

Happened to me when I relocated to my present house about 2 years ago: I called Orange customer service immediately and (almost) haven't been bothered since. But you have to be quick or else your number will end up in all data bases in France, Andorra, Monaco and beyond...

Caller ID doesn't help much: these guys mask their number.
They are required by law to remove them from their database if you ask them, but you have to do it with each company calling...

So yeah, answering machine may be the best practical solution, short of your mom changing her phone number (and have it unlisted).

As for relatives calling from overseas, sorry, there's no cure for that :) When in California we got called every so often at 3 AM by some well intentioned cousin who got the idea that CA was 9 hours ahead or Europe...

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Tue Feb 9th, 2010 at 03:34:45 PM EST
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Bernard: When you open a new phone line with Orange, they start selling your number to telemarketers right off the door, unless you contact their customer service to be put on the "do not sell" list (the ironically called "liste orange").

Wonderful.

Bernard: Happened to me when I relocated to my present house about 2 years ago: I called Orange customer service immediately and (almost) haven't been bothered since. But you have to be quick or else your number will end up in all data bases in France, Andorra, Monaco and beyond...

I'm afraid it's too late:  my mother's had this service for three years, I think.

Bernard: Caller ID doesn't help much: these guys mask their number.
They are required by law to remove them from their database if you ask them, but you have to do it with each company calling...
So yeah, answering machine may be the best practical solution, short of your mom changing her phone number (and have it unlisted).

I think that's what we're going to try.  On the other hand, I had a thought this morning:  maybe I can use these telemarketers as free French conversation practice.  :-)

Thanks, Bernard!

The march of civilizations is a series of defenses that man has put up against the dread of pure existence.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Wed Feb 10th, 2010 at 02:23:37 AM EST
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