CIS was founded and funded by John Tanton, who founded and funded Federation for American Immigration Reform and is closely associated with Progressives For Immigration Reform. The CIS About Us page contains a long list of endorsements from almost entirely Republican pols, to whom we may add Phyllis Schafly, Frank Gaffney, William Bennett, Rich Lowry, John O'Sullivan...

Quoting from this nexus of rightwing anti-immigrationists is not doing your argument any good. It's hard to take it as a progressive point of view when you're backing it with cites from these people.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 11th, 2010 at 03:15:46 PM EST
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The English-as-national-language groups are also a pretty obvious giveaway on the wingnuttery here.  That's a bit extreme even among many Republicans.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Mar 11th, 2010 at 03:37:22 PM EST
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the American Psychological Association was a eugenist and believer in forced sterilization:

Darwin's theory of evolution and Ernst Haeckel's recapitulation theory were large influences on Hall's career. These ideas prompted Hall to examine aspects of childhood development in order to learn about the inheritance of behavior. The subjective character of these studies made their validation impossible. His work also delved into controversial portrayals of the differences between women and men, as well as the concept of racial eugenics. . . .

Hall had no sympathy for the poor, the sick or those with developmental differences or disabilities. A firm believer in selective breeding and forced sterilization, Hall believed that any respect or charity toward those he viewed as physically, emotionally, or intellectually weak or "defective" simply interfered with the movement of natural selection toward the development of a super-race. Hall's social vision was a socialism of the right, a blueprint for the future German National Socialism that arose just a few years after his death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Stanley_Hall

In any case, Tanton appears to be the victim of a smear campaign, as I've noted elsewhere, and appears not to exercise any control over nor hold any office within CIS.

http://cis.org/About

What about the substance, that it is a good idea to restrict immigration during a period of very high unemployment? Seems like you're avoiding arguing on substance.

fairleft

by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Thu Mar 11th, 2010 at 05:26:57 PM EST
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fairleft:
Tanton appears to be the victim of a smear campaign

If you're going to insist on that, how do you expect anyone to take you seriously enough to debate the idea?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 11th, 2010 at 05:30:58 PM EST
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A founder and first President of the American Psychological Association was a eugenist and believer in forced sterilization

I'm sorry, but I seem to have lost the thread of this.  I didn't see anyone here quote Stanley Hall as a role model, what did I miss?

Given that you're accusing others of avoiding arguing on substance, throwing out random comments about irrelevant and long-dead eugenicists seems a bit weird.  In fact, it could leave you open to accusations of trying to avoid answering the very specific points that have been made to you about Tanton.

by Sassafras on Thu Mar 11th, 2010 at 05:42:56 PM EST
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