Probably not, but is linking to white supremacists movement really a good thing here?

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Mar 10th, 2010 at 08:12:19 PM EST
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, who tend to be 'overrepresented' in the working class, and the working poor. So you're 'anti-immigrants who are already here' if you favor continued large-scale immigration.

If you can say something in non-asshole-speak, please respond.

fairleft

by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Wed Mar 10th, 2010 at 10:50:54 PM EST
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I have trouble taking someone who uses terms like "blanket amnesty" as being someone with the interests of immigrants at heart.  I think you'll find among recent immigrants that there is a strongly pro-immigration sentiment.

As for "asshole-speak," you've, of course, not dealt with what I presented in my original comment, and I've no intention of engaging someone involved with hate groups in anything other than an entirely scornful way.

You can lecture me about being an asshole when you're not hoisting your links from the sheet-wearers.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Mar 11th, 2010 at 04:34:23 AM EST
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immigration. CIS in February, citing a Zogby poll:

In contrast to the leadership of many ethnic advocacy groups, most members of minority groups think immigration is too high.

*Hispanics: 56 percent said it is too high; 7 percent said too low; 14 percent just right.
*Asian-Americans: 57 percent said immigration is too high; 5 percent said too low; 18 percent just right.
*African-Americans: 68 percent said it is too high; 4 percent said too low; 14 percent just right.

Most members of minority groups do not feel that illegal immigration is caused by limits on legal immigration as many ethnic advocacy groups argue; instead, members feel it's due to a lack of enforcement.

*Hispanics: Just 20 percent said illegal immigration was caused by not letting in enough legal immigrants; 61 percent said inadequate enforcement.
*Asian-Americans: 19 percent said not enough legal immigration; 69 percent said inadequate enforcement.
*African-Americans: 16 percent said not enough legal immigration; 70 percent said inadequate enforcement.

Most members of minority groups feel that there are plenty of Americans available to fill unskilled jobs.

*Hispanics: 15 percent said legal immigration should be increased to fill unskilled jobs; 65 percent said there are plenty of Americans available to do unskilled jobs, employers just need to pay more.
*Asian-Americans: 19 percent said increase immigration; 65 percent said plenty of Americans are available.
*African-Americans: 6 percent said increase immigration; 81 percent said plenty of Americans are available.

http://cis.org/Minority-Views-Immigration

fairleft

by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Thu Mar 11th, 2010 at 02:28:33 PM EST
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You're not seriously going to bring a Zogby online survey to me, are you?  These are the "polls" -- I, of course, use the term loosely -- that show statistically significant differences from his own telephone polls.  This is the poll that showed Obama's approval rating at 50/50 in March of 2009, when everybody else had him in the high-60s with disapprovals in the 10s and 20s.

The least reliable poll of 2008.  For good reason.

Do you know anything about polling?  I'm assuming not.

Compare with a real poll by Gallup.  You'll note most Americans are either satisfied with current immigration levels or would support more.

For purposes of re-education (since I have some background in how to do this): Note the absence of politically-loaded questions designed to lead the respondent to an answer -- answers the wingnuts who commissioned this abortion of a survey wanted -- in Gallup's survey, the use of random sampling, rotated questions, phone calls rather than a database of people who go out of their way to participate.

You know, all things professional pollsters use when their checks aren't being cut by Newsmax and pseudo-academics.

You might as well be posting one of those moronic web polls that cable channels take.  But at least those don't claim to be scientific.

Next.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Mar 11th, 2010 at 03:26:30 PM EST
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August 5, 2009
Americans Return to Tougher Immigration Stance

http://www.gallup.com/poll/122057/Americans-Return-Tougher-Immigration-Stance.aspx

fairleft

by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Thu Mar 11th, 2010 at 04:13:52 PM EST
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I agree fairleft hits all the shibboleths in one short diary...

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 11th, 2010 at 02:59:20 AM EST
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of racism. And so, the warning rating. If you sincerely think supporting restricted immigration during a deep recession is a 'racist' position, then support that characterization with evidence. Or, better yet, forget characterization and argue head on against my position.

fairleft
by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Thu Mar 11th, 2010 at 02:42:12 PM EST
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Considering I advocate free movement of people (open borders) as well as granting full social, economic and political right to all people on the basis of residence and not of nationality (yes, that means people should be able to vote and work, as well as stand for election and employ others, and have access to health care whether they're citizens or not) you're not going to convince me that
What we need to do now is put a moratorium on all legal immigration, curb illegal immigration, stop the use of H1-B, and other work visas
is a progressive position.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 11th, 2010 at 03:48:54 PM EST
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at bottom. In any case, I don't disagree with your position as a long-term utopian position. Right now, in this real world, open borders creates a race-to-the-bottom on wages and is destructive overall to the economic welfare of 'bottom two-thirds' workers on both sides of the U.S. and other borders.

fairleft
by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Thu Mar 11th, 2010 at 05:14:49 PM EST
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