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I agree. It's also about the infrastructure of the City - legal firms, accountants, IT talent, media, clubs etc and of course social life.

It has been said of Nokia that the nationwide infrastructure that has emerged in Finland over 25 years is more valuable to the nation than the company itself.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 11:41:33 AM EST
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Yes, but there is also no reason why this infrastructure cannot be recreated in Singapore, Hong Kong, Geneva, Frankfurt, Dublin or anywhere else.  All of the necessary skills are mobile and transferable.  The internet is THE enabling technology.  10 years ago - maybe I would have agreed.  Not any more.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 12:25:45 PM EST
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You can create an enclave anywhere today, agreed. But the 10s of thousands of people who are directly part of the 'emotional' substructure won't move. (I might include marketing in this emotional substructure, as well as families, friends, colleagues etc). Once an enclave, like the 'factories' of maritime colonialization,  tries to extend out, it meets an emotional infrastructure - call it a culture, if you will - that changes the decision-making process.

Yes, some people are robots who are mobile and transferable. But there are not enough of them imo to duplicate a City of London in another city - at least not within a decade.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 12:58:37 PM EST
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British financial firms have a hard enough time finding people willing to be expats in other European countries...

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 01:23:16 PM EST
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Agreed - but it doesn't have to be British people filling those roles in Frankfurt or Geneva, Singapore or Dublin.  The skill-set is not Unique to the UK.  Granted some high-flyers and innovators may have to move elsewhere, but these guys are earning millions and have pads all over the place anyway.

What Japan has done to the car industry, India is doing to the software/support industry, can also be done by China et al to the financial services industry.  Granted it takes time, but it is happening and will continue to do so.  

There is a nexus of skills involved, but these are largely location independent.  Indeed, because the raw materials - cash, confidence, trust, knowledge, contacts etc - don't have to be shipped around like Oil or Steel - this sort of industry is far more mobile and location independent than any previous one.

London's main comparative advantage is an historic one - and that is going the way of the British empire, Sterling and the Gold standard.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 01:50:17 PM EST
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It is true that the spread of the internet etc will disintermediate the City and potentially enable the necessary financial service provision to be done anywhere in the world.

Frank Schnittger:

London's main comparative advantage is an historic one - and that is going the way of the British empire, Sterling and the Gold standard.

Yes and no.

The City thrived despite the passing of the British Empire, gold and sterling, and are quite capable of thriving beyond the passing of the US Empire, the Dollar and Cheap Oil.

Do not underestimate the breadth and depth of knowledge and experience there, and also - I believe - a flexibility of thinking to be found nowhere else. In order to be and remain unproductive and yet rich, considerable creativity and ingenuity are necessary. I think the the City may yet evolve with financial markets into their next - networked - phase.

I suggest that the reason the City Corporation  realised they needed to engage with the Glasmans of this world is that they may have seen the writing on the wall....

I think it might yet be the case that...

"The City is Dead! Long Live the City!"


"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 02:34:11 PM EST
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Given that Glasman isn't advancing a globalisation thesis or opposing same, perhaps they don't feel threatened by his ethics based opposition.  A million dollars to the odd fashionable charity or two can buy you a lot of ethics...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 03:03:56 PM EST
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In London and New York it's very much about the local aristocracies. There's plenty of new money too, which is more mobile, but realistically most hedge fund investors would prefer to deal with someone known and relatively local, not someone unknown with no track record in a distant location.

Financialisation can't happen without a significant existing overclass, and it takes at least a couple of generations for a potential overclass to become significant enough to make financialisation possible, and another couple before the overclass becomes large enough to start being able to use financialisation as a big stick with against local democracy.

Until that happens you're more likely to get Big Man Syndrome, which isn't any less dictatorial, but is much more difficult to do business with if you're not part of the Big Man's family and network.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 12:30:16 PM EST
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