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Thanks for all the data -- but it just tends to reinforce what I've been saying for years.  Yes, Americans DO support everyone having health care, paying taxes for it, and having the government involved (which they will be when the bill passes).  But they do NOT (at this point) all support, or even widely support, abolishing the private health insurance industry.  Nothing in the data contradicts this.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 09:16:21 PM EST
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The most recent polling I recall on this is from fall 2007, and it's from California - but "medicare for all" had majority support at the time:

Calitics: Interesting Finds on Health Care in the LA Times Poll

Extending Medicare to cover all Americans, creating a government-run system: 53% yes, 36% no

It's not public opinion that is the main obstacle - it is the vast wealth of the insurance industry, which has made both Congress and the White House reluctant to take on more fundamental and more useful reforms.

That decision can be defended. But let's be clear about what drove DC Democrats' decisions on this. It wasn't public opinion.

And the world will live as one

by Montereyan (robert at calitics dot com) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 09:41:21 PM EST
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Oh, I agree with you that wealth and power has driven the debate and that it's not all based on the public interest.  I also agree that many DC Democrats are working on that agenda as well.  What I'm disagreeing about is labeling either Obama separately, or together with some Democrats as a monolithic entity, as having the agenda of serving insurance rather than people.  

To call either him as an individual or The Democrats as a singular entity a sell out, to make accusations that the industry wants this bill, that it's a bailout, that they're all engaging in kabuki and serving their 'masters' is really destructive, imo, as well as being generally stupid.

What good does it do?  How does it help us reach our goals?

I think, given the political environment in general and the makeup of the current congress in particular, the bill is a really great start that will help millions.  How are we going to build on that if we keep tearing down those who've helped make it happen?

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 09:54:23 PM EST
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abolishing the private health insurance industry

This is an AHIP fallacy repeated to undermine popular support for public financed insurance as described in H.R. 676. That bill does not compell enrollment in the public plan; nonetheless everyone is eligible to apply for coverage. The bill does not compell persons to terminate private insurance coverage, nor does it prohibit persons from purchasing private insurance. H.R. 676 does prohibit beneficiaries duplication of coverages as do all commercial insurers; all policies contain a coordination of benefits provision to prevent over-insurance i.e. duplicate payments of claims.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 10:51:55 PM EST
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Yes, Cat, I know this and, in my view, you're proving my point.  I'm addressing overwrought rhetoric and the dialog that says because of this or that thing, Obama/The Dems are corporate sell outs and traitors to the cause.  All the options would allow our current system to stand.  All the options would require working within it to some extent.  It's ridiculous to be saying, at this point and on these details, that the whole thing is now an insurance bailout/what they wanted all along/Obama's secret master plan.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Mar 15th, 2010 at 12:21:59 AM EST
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