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One should remember there are two rounds of voting. Only lists having scored at least 10% in the first round may line up for the second (and they may make deals with bigger lists before that). So Round Two sees a decider between the big lists.

This is where the left has overall more resources than the right. Europe Ecologie is expected to poll in the low to mid-teens and so be present in Round Two. The Front de Gauche or the Trotskysts are not expected to make the 10% line, but there's a fair-sized "réservoir" of votes there. Meanwhile Sarkozy has doen all he can to consolidate the rightwing electorate by bringing over Le Pen's electorate to the UMP, and has no significant reserves for the second round.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 02:33:31 PM EST
Is there any advantage to a party of gaining more than 10% in the first round, or is it simply a ticket in?

In other words, could the supporters of the main parties stay at home to watch the rugby without risk??

by Sassafras on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 02:50:53 PM EST
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The main thing is the pressure the >10% groups can bring. If you're PS or UMP, you still need to get out the vote (didn't work too well today...) so your rivals but finally partners (coalition partners for running a region) don't get too much of a relative advantage over you.

From this point of view, Europe Ecologie's settling in as Number Two on the left is one important point: the PS can less and less refuse to make deals with them. As for the Front Nazional, it seems Sarko and friends haven't fully succeeded in absorbing them, in spite of their non-stop messages to them.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 03:21:43 PM EST
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...also lists that got over 10% in the first round can merge with another one for round #2; and the political horse trading is mostly based on the votes received during the first round.

Many French regions today, including Paris, are run by a PS-Green coalition. It's important for the Greens to score high so that they can claim a higher proportion of seats (and chairmanships) in the merged list for next Sunday. Conversely, the PS needs to remain strong to keep the pesky environmentalist at bay...

The newly merged lists must be checked in by Tuesday, 18:00 sharp (and no stop at the café: this is no Italy :)


Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 04:08:48 PM EST
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In amurka it's so much simpler, and more democratic.  One being (corporation) spends a million, gets a million votes.  We don't need no stinking lists, an d we don't even know how to speel coal á lishun.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 04:13:59 PM EST
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... of the willing? Sorry, couldn't resist :)

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 04:18:59 PM EST
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I thought it was a blend of Caol Ila - of the stilling!

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 04:27:19 PM EST
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Willing, Little Feat in Greater Downtown Germany



"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 04:33:40 PM EST
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Sweet.

Lowell left us too soon.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 05:06:11 PM EST
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Further reply see the OT.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 05:12:06 PM EST
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A million? It's a cheap as that?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 04:27:23 PM EST
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ferchrissake, whaddya you want for a million?  Want more votes, costs you more.  Free market.  Entry level for control of course costs more.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 04:37:43 PM EST
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They believed Sarko on jobs and pouvoir d'achat and got shafted. And the older, working class retirees people aren't so keen on, shall we say, social mores he keeps so it's not surprising to me the FN is back and hitting their stride a bit here.

It does no good whatsoever for the UMP in any case, all these regions with the FN passing the bar.  

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 06:08:28 PM EST
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Is the electoral system proportional or first past the post?

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 03:44:46 PM EST
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FPTP, with run-offs.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 04:00:05 PM EST
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Huh. So that's why France doesn't do coalition governments?

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 04:02:31 PM EST
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This is a regional election. The rules are not the same as national elections.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 04:06:31 PM EST
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As for governments, there may be two or more parties involved in forming one. The left in government, for example, generally includes, with the PS as principal group, les Verts, the PC, the Radicaux de Gauche. The right, for most of the 5th Republic, has composed governments out of the Gaullists and the "centre" right (typified by Giscard). Only recently has Sarkozy attempted to create one hegemonic party on the right, the UMP.

Mostly, these coalitions arise before or during elections (between the two rounds). This is, it's true, unlike coalitions in Germany.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 04:20:24 PM EST
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See my comment below.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 04:05:32 PM EST
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What do you mean by run-offs?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 04:07:25 PM EST
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The top two candidates in the first round advance to a run-off in the second round?

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 04:08:42 PM EST
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But you already answered this in your top-level comment:
One should remember there are two rounds of voting. Only lists having scored at least 10% in the first round may line up for the second (and they may make deals with bigger lists before that). So Round Two sees a decider between the big lists.
Sorry for coming into the thread in medias res.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 04:09:48 PM EST
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I wondered if you were giving the term some other meaning than a second round.

Otherwise, it's not first past the post.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 04:13:09 PM EST
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I didn't realise up to 9 parties could progress to the second round.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 04:20:46 PM EST
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It's quite possible (depending on local deals struck) that there'll be four lists on the run-off this time (as per the estimates I posted below.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 04:26:45 PM EST
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A bit of one, a bit of the other. The list that gets an absolute majority (whether in the first or second round) gets one quarter of the seats on the regional council as a "base". The remaining three-quarters are distributed proportionally, with a threshold of 5% for getting a seat. So it's proportional with a big advantage to the winning list (intended to produce a clear majority in the council and avoid a "hung" council or constantly shifting coalitions).
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 04:04:53 PM EST
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The rules can be found in the French wikipedia.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 04:24:01 PM EST
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Yup.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 04:29:37 PM EST
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The real reason behind the majority bonus is that in 1998 the regional barons proved they couldn't refrain themselves from allying with the FN when faced with the prospect of losing their chauffeur driven cars - in many regions the PS had a plurality but UMP + FN had a majority. The bonus was instituted to prevent that situation - and hide the reality of the position of many right wing apparatchik when it came to alliances with the far right.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sun Mar 14th, 2010 at 11:05:55 PM EST
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