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Just dropping in to let you know that there was over 45 minutes of good old Chomsky on Democracy Now! on Monday morning.  Chomsky starts at 12:20.

My cat Truffles loves Chomsky.  He's very pro-kitten, or so she tells me from texting with him.

P.S. Anybody who thinks that ANY Health Care Bill will do ANYTHING but further screw over the American public is DREEEEEEAAAAAMMMMMING!!

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Mar 15th, 2010 at 01:48:27 PM EST
You should check out last night's OT. Izzy would beg to differ.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Mar 15th, 2010 at 02:12:05 PM EST
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Oh contarare (sp?) my friend.  I lurk almost every day and I did see the interchange; decided to stay out of it.  I avoid Izzy at all costs these days; don't need the Powers That Be giving me nasty 2 ratings for no good reason.

Let's recite the rules of US governance:

  1. The rich/powerful matter and no one else does.

  2. Any policy sold to "help" the public in general is a sham.  Wait till you see what you really get.

It'll be like car insurance in the US.  If you want to operate a vehicle legally, you need proof of insurance to get a registration tag for your license plate.  For health care, doesn't matter if you're middle class or a bum in a tent city, you better have a health care card, PAID FOR, or they will do what ...?  Harvest your internal organs for research on immortality for the wealthy?  Hell of a research project if you think about it.  Don't want to arrest people ... too expensive.

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Mar 15th, 2010 at 02:29:02 PM EST
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She's just down the road from you, so I guess discretion might be the wiser course.

I can't answer for the rest of it tho'.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Mar 15th, 2010 at 02:34:05 PM EST
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"down the road" ... hell, she's all the way down in LA, like another country away.  No, it's that I came to ET for more/better info and I get that from lurking.  Conversing like this with YOU (!) is fun because I don't have to worry about every damn word I type.  "Am I insulting/attacking someone?"  Utter nonsense!

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Mar 15th, 2010 at 02:54:48 PM EST
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So you get your line in on health care and at the same time pretend you're not around for discussion? Pretty feeble for someone with strong opinions.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Mar 15th, 2010 at 04:09:08 PM EST
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Most unwise to diss Izzy... she has lethal shoes.  Gotta count for something.  Anyhow she's as entitled to her opinion as you are to yours and unless it seems as though you are going out of your way to offend, I'm sure you can have a civil discussion.

Are you sure you haven't been brainwashed by the anti-HC Bill lot?  Has your cat been chanting messages at you?

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Mar 15th, 2010 at 05:08:00 PM EST
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Text version of what Chomsky was saying:


'Even the most radical conservative can agree with Noam Chomsky on at least one thing. "No one in their right mind wants Iran to develop nuclear weapons." But to Chomsky, nonproliferation requires reciprocal action, rather than international condemnation.
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Chomsky takes a pragmatic view of international relations. His conclusion is that Iran is developing nuclear weapons out of a rational fear for its national safety because of the systematically threatening posture of the United States and Israel.

Noam Chomsky speaks in Harvard's Memorial Church on Saturday, March 6th, Chomsky critiqued the foreign policy of President Obama '91 and explained the historical reasons that Iran would perceive a need to develop nuclear weapons. "If they're not developing a nuclear deterrent, they are crazy." The problem, said Chomsky, is the defiant and hypocritical insistence of the United States on holding the constant threat of military action over Iran as a punishment for its noncompliance with United Nations mandates. "Hostile actions of the United States and its Israeli client are a major factor in Iran's decisions of whether or not to develop a nuclear deterrent."
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Chomsky, when speaking about activism and civil disobedience, stressed the need for determined persistence. "You're not going to win tomorrow. You are going to have a lot of defeats, but you have to keep at it."

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/03/12-0




Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Mon Mar 15th, 2010 at 02:33:09 PM EST
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Hello, Twank!  How are the truffles coming along?

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Mon Mar 15th, 2010 at 06:27:17 PM EST
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I have truly missed some of the ET folks, particularly you and Helen.

The truffles are on hold.  Things ... i.e. unemployment, public disturbances over unemployment, crime resulting from unemployed people, etc. ... have to get much worse and in the MSM before I'll approach some gutless Democrat fretting reelection.  No need to hurry.  No one else would ever propose my idea so I'll stand pat with my cards.

P.S. again.  Who said Izzy isn't allowed to have here opinion?  I'm just saying that after the "What voters THOUGHT they were getting by electing Obama" and "What they REALLY got with him in the White House" they might wise up to the lay of the land.  Oh well, bend over America!  Here comes health care reform!

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Mar 16th, 2010 at 05:55:37 AM EST
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Izzy has a right to her opinion (big of ya, Twank), but:

THE Twank:

I avoid Izzy at all costs these days; don't need the Powers That Be giving me nasty 2 ratings for no good reason.

Oh, so she's a Power That Be, so you won't be defending your opinion in discussion with her. Very courageous.

I'll add that Powers That Be are necessary to give you 2s, and, on occasion, purely delete your sometimes outrageous comments. No editor has ever warned you "for no good reason".

As metavision knows, she who rightly objects to macho discourse disrespectful to women.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Mar 16th, 2010 at 07:34:14 AM EST
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