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Except that this is precisely what one would see if the Church were a causal agent and its hold over society was weakening.

Part of the problem here is that the Church's ability to control sexual behaviour is declining faster than its ability to block access to protection. The former requires nothing more than a general enlightenment of society. The latter requires both a general enlightenment of society and that the holdouts in the existing power structures are purged.

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Mar 19th, 2010 at 01:37:48 PM EST
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That's a sound argument, but we don't really know that this is true:

Part of the problem here is that the Church's ability to control sexual behaviour is declining faster than its ability to block access to protection.

It's an empirical question though. In societies with large Catholic populations, is it actually difficult to get access to birth control.  Statistics I've seen before on abortion would indicate otherwise. (I think Guttmacher Institute.) In Catholic Latin America, even where abortion is illegal, abortion rates are higher than in many less Catholic countries where it is legal, which means that we have no evidence that access is difficult even if where nominally prohibited.  Also, where, in Africa, Ireland, or anywhere, is it difficult to get access to condoms today? This would seem to indicate that the Church's ability to block access to protection is a bit overblown.

by santiago on Fri Mar 19th, 2010 at 03:13:53 PM EST
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Access to the mechanical tools does you no good if you are not educated in their use, or if there is a sufficiently strong social stigma attached to obtaining them.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Mar 19th, 2010 at 03:21:19 PM EST
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Perhaps, but the variation in that data can be measured by looking at places where we might think Catholic influence is preventing such education and social acceptance from occurring and seeing if it's any different from places where we don't expect Catholic influence to be strong. Offhand, I can't think of where we'd find what you suggest to be occurring, though. Catholic countries seem, well, like much more sexually relaxed places, typically, than non-Catholic areas. And this likely goes back centuries.
by santiago on Fri Mar 19th, 2010 at 03:32:18 PM EST
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