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What it will do is make future efforts at reform much, much harder.

i think this is an unnecessarily negative projection.

surely once the thin end of the change-wedge is inserted, people will realise that the old system is not set in recalcitrant stone, and this cog-diss about medicare-is-socialism-except-it-isn't will be put to bed.

i think in some senses it is one step backwards to go two forwards, and kucinich has made his point.

being too principled when it's time for compromise is inappropriate, imo.

it does leave a bitter taste though...

if the bill fails he can always re-adopt his old stance, bully for him.

this bill is so compromised most of its value is symbolic at this point, but as symbol it has great value, routing repugs where it hurts, and continuing the historicity of the obama era.

i may agree with you mostly, fairleft, but izzy's arguments are irrefutable. crumbs are preferable to no loaf...

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:21:57 AM EST
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I don't think it makes future efforts harder or less hard. It's irrelevant. The bill has become simply what the corporations concerned with medical care profits wanted. Whenever corporate rule is overthrown or whenever it becomes so scared of populist anger that it just has to give up profits for positive action for the average working people, then we'll have actual change to something better health-care-wise than we have right now.

But rule by corporations hasn't been this comfortably in power since the Gilded Age. This health care profits act should tell everyone, "Don't expect any progress at all, expect regress usually, unless you scare the corporate rulers shitless or overthrow them."

And, yes, there are some good things about the bill, but overall, especially viewed at the dawn of the extreme deficit hawk mini-era, it will make things worse for most average and low income people.

fairleft

by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 05:01:30 PM EST
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fairleft:
The bill has become simply what the corporations concerned with medical care profits wanted.

yes, for now, in exchange for giving up more later.

the ideal for them, for sure, would be no change at all.

all these new clients corralled into their nets by legislation are not the ones they like the best, remember, lol. they'll have to do some serious contortions to try and look good and their actions and profit margins will be under greater accountability than now.

already the fact of their paying their CEO's almost 10 million $ a year plus stock options is causing more backlash, i imagine they will continue to be under the media spotlight from now on.

it's a less-worse solution, but it's better than defeat, which would be pretty devastating to morale at this point. i think of it as teasing them out into the sun, where how dark they are will become visible to all. at that point single payer has a much better chance, the insurance companies will have shown all their spots by then.

seeing him stumping for the bill now, i wonder why he waited so long to feel the fire in his belly. i haven't seen him so un-aloof since the presidential campaign.

when he puts on his populist hat, it's a fine thing to watch. pity it isn't glued on his head, but then it might have a target on its back too.

 

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Mar 19th, 2010 at 02:03:30 PM EST
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