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low taxes and low social transfers? I beg to differ if I look at my paycheck.

stagnant wages - thats the unions and the employers association, NOT the government

running a budget deficit - what does that have to do with current account?

by crankykarsten (cranky (where?) gmx dot organisation) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:48:49 AM EST
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Current account balance plus government budget deficit equals private sector surplus.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:57:25 AM EST
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sorry, which way does the whole cause and effect go (if you're already simplifying very complex processes)?
by crankykarsten (cranky (where?) gmx dot organisation) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:00:41 PM EST
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if you're already simplifying very complex processes

I'm just considering macroeconomic aggregates. You're the one who turned the macroeconomic aggregates into a presumably easier to understand metaphor about German grannies lending Californias the money to buy BMWs.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:07:11 PM EST
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ok, sorry, you win :-) Still, I think the cause and effect (ie the process) needs to be looked at, not just the static end-product...
by crankykarsten (cranky (where?) gmx dot organisation) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:15:02 PM EST
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crankykarsten
which way does the whole cause and effect go

See this and thisthis comment on ET and/or thisthis and thisthis linked articles by Robert Parenteau and Yves Smith.


As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 02:15:45 PM EST
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I think you'd agree your personal salary is anecdotal?

But:

From DIW (German Economic Institute) Weekly Report, October 2009 (pdf), "Real Wages in Germany: Numerous Years of Decline".

The line that the government has nothing to do with this, that it's just the unions and bosses, is the line being pushed right now by the German government. Yet there is no doubt that wage "restraint" is part of a deliberate policy beginning in the early '00s under Schröder. One of the obvious ways a government can create an economic environment in which unions are weakened in pay negotiations is to reduce social security safety nets (unemployment benefits, etc), so that workers are willing to accept tougher conditions rather than lose their jobs, and this is the series of programmes associated with the name Hartz.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:00:57 PM EST
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The line that the government has nothing to do with this, that it's just the unions and bosses, is the line being pushed right now by the German government. Yet there is no doubt that wage "restraint" is part of a deliberate policy beginning in the early '00s under Schröder.

In addition, the German social model has traditionally involved a political consensus involving the employers, unions and the government. To deny that now is disingenuous or market-worshipping ignorance.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:03:45 PM EST
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I'm afraid I don't fully understand the graph, but I would say the gross wages went upt from 1991-2007, but net wages barely moved, therefore underpinning my point that taxes and social transfers (from income from emplyoment!) actually increased!
by crankykarsten (cranky (where?) gmx dot organisation) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:07:26 PM EST
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I'm afraid I don't fully understand the graph

Try this: real wages (whether gross or net or 'total compensation') peaked in 2003, so they have not kept up with GDP growth.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:12:34 PM EST
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