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How do you think you would have reacted in that position?  

I'd like to think that especially given my equalities background and knowledge of similar experiments done previously, I wouldn't follow instructions.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 02:31:38 PM EST
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In Wales:
my hard work being run to the ground but also the way others are being treated, and it is winding me up.

Press in on the button and unwind.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 02:37:48 PM EST
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I don't know, obviously like anybody I want ot believe "I'm better than that".

On my plus side I'm the sort of awkward so-and-so who tends towards following my own star and not giving a monkeys what anyone else thinks. (Pretty much a pre-req for changing gender). I've never been good at gaining approval by doing what other people want, so I mostly gave up about age 14.

On the negative side I can also see I'm the sort of awkward so-and-so who doesn't really care enough to worry if someone complains (or screams) if i do something. That's still a holdover from when I was a male and I developed indifference into something approaching a disorder. I'm changing and becoming more empathetic, but I still can't predict how I'd behave in such a circumstance.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 03:06:50 PM EST
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I'm pretty sure I would have resisted. I know a lot of people think this and when it comes to it cave in to authority. But I used to argue with teachers a lot. One of my lecturers at art school said: "There's a stubborn streak in you Welch, and it won't do you any good." I used to be the main one disagreeing with philosophy lecturers at Birkbeck. As a lecturer I was one of few who stood up to a new, bullying head of school, and forced him to back down and he later said: "You're a fighter like me."

So I think there's a very good chance I would have refused to go very far even with the original experiments.  I wouldn't have started this time round, as I knew about the Milgram experiments from the early 80s.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 03:13:13 PM EST
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As a lecturer I often started my course with a doc about the Milgram experiments and some related stuff and encouraged students to disagree with me and think for themselves.

The most dangerous influences are not necessarily overt pressure, but things you're not even aware of. So I gave students the example that as an art student I'd tended to accept the Romantic myth of the artist - art as an individualistic matter of the expression of feelings, etc. Many of my students came to the course wanting to be ART photographers or Art film-makers, at least in my course they became consciously aware of the nature and origins of such culturally powerful ideas as Romanticism.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 03:22:22 PM EST
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