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LOL, I hope Finland does become #1 in European old-people's homes. I couldn't think of a nicer place to spend my golden years.  Beautiful scenery. Nice people. Cultural places of interest to visit throughout the country. Cool summer activities, cool winter activities. Great infrastructure, easy to get from place to place. Castles, golf courses, and now 4 or 5 Michelin star restaurants just in the Helsinki area alone. Great doctors (just ask Becks). And absolutely, positively the very best organic rye bread in the world. So what's not to like? Finland is simply an undiscovered gem IMO.

Growing older is a fact of life. If you get to live a long time, you're gonna be old. Quality of life is what's important. I hope Finland can come up with a model for old-peoples homes that can be used worldwide. Ideally, it should be a place that people want to go . . . not a place they have to go. Your friends should already be there, in the hot tub, under the starry skies, waiting for you. Your favorite tunes should be playing. Your most difficult decision should be whether to go skiing or ice fishing. Or maybe do a few laps in the pool and then take a sauna in that hot, hot room . . . with water being thrown on the stones . . . looking out the large windows to a perfectly still grove of birch trees. There should be a zen garden, thai chi and yoga classes, a library, high-speed internet, a decent wine cellar, and all manner of activities that keep people engaged, physically and mentally. How does that sound? They could charge a fortune for immigrants like me to live there, and make it free to the natives.

The Finns are smart and clever and they have some great ideas.  Tourism is the natural way to extract money from the people that have it and not have to deal with them on any long-term basis. It also casts the spotlight on Finland in a most favorable light. Sanna Valkonen, a lecturer at the University of Lapland, has some novel ideas for her unique neck of the woods. Like appealing to young people especially, by following up on the success of Lordi, and helping to develop the town of Rovaniemi into a mecca for snowboarders.  I say, you go girl!

by sgr2 on Thu Mar 25th, 2010 at 03:10:21 PM EST
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Have you learned to say löyly yet? ;-)

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by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Mar 25th, 2010 at 03:37:22 PM EST
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En ole (surely you jest!). There's a whole slew of tongue-twisting words that simply don't work out for me . . . yet.
by sgr2 on Fri Mar 26th, 2010 at 07:06:22 AM EST
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You know, a bunch of naked guys all crammed together in one room being steam par-boiled seems, to this American, to be Teh Ghey.  

To the max.

by ATinNM on Fri Mar 26th, 2010 at 01:35:34 PM EST
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Nothing wrong with naked guys, IMO!
by sgr2 on Fri Mar 26th, 2010 at 07:35:34 PM EST
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Wrong?  Where did I say that?
by ATinNM on Fri Mar 26th, 2010 at 10:22:01 PM EST
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Well, first of all it's not a 'guy thing'. Hygiene, mental and physical healing, and relaxation and openness are enjoyed by all genders and ages - not always separately.

Though CH might have some comments on the sweat lodge version - which I've never experienced (but would be happy to).

Take culturally repressed role players out of their uniforms and they become quite human ;-)

What is it with you Yanks and willies?

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by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 03:59:51 AM EST
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Throw away your reichian armour!

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by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 04:10:55 AM EST
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I know what you Finns get up to in them saunas.  

I've seen the YouTube uploads of "Riot On!"  So you can't fool me.

LOL

by ATinNM on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 04:30:57 AM EST
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Were they the ones with my VO?

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by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 06:14:12 AM EST
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Here's the link to the channel.  Except for the the opening credits and trailer I don't remember any VO work.
by ATinNM on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 01:38:39 PM EST
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I'm supposed to meet up with the director this week - we go quite a long way back.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 02:08:35 PM EST
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Tell him to beat the crap out of his distributor.  The film should have done fairly well in Silicon Valley, I can't find any evidence it made it into theaters anywhere close.  Riot On! is the kind of film that has a chance to make it to cult status.

Or is the legal foo-foo still foo-foo'ing?  I suppose it is.  

by ATinNM on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 02:51:46 PM EST
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It is, though I haven't talk to John about it in a long while. I shall ask him where it stands.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 02:59:33 PM EST
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I was obviously employed to liven up the boring bits ;-)

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by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 03:01:14 PM EST
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ROFLMAO!!!!
by sgr2 on Sun Mar 28th, 2010 at 01:57:21 PM EST
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Sven Triloqvist:
Take culturally repressed role players out of their uniforms and they become quite human ;-)

ditto per massage.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 05:54:29 AM EST
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Absolutely. In the sauna there's a whole lot of biochemical stuff set in motion by the waves of high-humidity heat. The body balance systems that expel body liquid as running sweat and pump up the cardiovascular surge, are connected to all sorts of pain suppression systems. And a jump in the cold lake is certainly mainlining noradrenalin.

'Feeling good' after a sauna covers a whole range of beneficial biochemical changes.

I presume massage has similar effects?

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by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 06:13:33 AM EST
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i can't compare massages and saunas, apples and oranges, but let's say they are extremely complementary.

in fact, when working in a spa, clients that came from the sauna were 'half-done' from a relaxation pov.

my comment came from massaging a bigwig, seeing a lot of kowtowing and self importance at a party later, then remembering the client in his underpants! people take off their pretensions with their clothes.

what's amazing (and on topic) is the amount of identity wound up in being 'dressed', and how radical a shift when people are au naturel, a phenomenon also readily observable in saunas and hot springs/tubs.

clothes make the man, indeed, lol!

saunas are a brilliant invention, i lervs 'em

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 09:25:36 AM EST
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Taking a sauna is one of the very best things you can do for yourself in terms of health. Sweating naturally cleanses the body by removing harmful toxins, in addition to all the benefits Sven pointed out.

Speaking of hot rooms, has anybody here had the opportunity to try Bikram yoga? It's yoga in a hot room and for older folks like me it's great because the added heat somehow makes the whole body more flexible.
 

by sgr2 on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 01:07:37 PM EST
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i tried it in costa rica, and it was great, but a bit too on for my needs.

what tallies is how much more flexible living in the tropics makes your body, due to it's never having to harden itself to cold.

not surprising yoga was invented in india.

i prefer a calmer style of hatha, taking as much time in each asana as the situation requires, really meditation in different positions..

bikram is the other pole from tibetan yogis wrapping themselves in wet robes in subzero temperature, then using pranayama breathing, like breath of fire, to crack and melt the ice from within.

i did some ashtanga for a while, and it too accents using heat from very strenuous jumping from one asana to another combined with deep breathing. very sweaty!

whichever yoga suits ya best, it's great to have so much choice.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Mar 28th, 2010 at 01:37:54 PM EST
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So for more on those crazy, sexually uptight amerigos, be sure to check out this story. Its talks about nekkid guy too. The article, titled "the sauna, schmoozing, and the four-inch rule," explains how the Diplomatic Finnish Sauna Society of DC has become a  quite the hot spot for diplomacy. You can find it here: http://www.hs.fi/english/article/EYEWITNESS+Sauna+schmoozing+and+the+four-inch+rule/1135254891562
by sgr2 on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 12:48:05 PM EST
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A sauna in which I have bathed BTW. The whole Finnish embassy in DC way out at 3301 Mass. ave. is a delight and  with it's deliberately rusty facade overgrown with vine, and interior openness it stands in modest but stark contrast  to all the other demi-Hellenic, fascist neo-colonialist faux-edifices up and down the avenue.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 01:09:10 PM EST
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Culture and enculturated associations - & all that - difference.  

Public baths and steams baths acquired Gay associations here since they were commonly used as a Gay meeting and pick-up spot.  This later trended into the elaborate and well appointed, so I am informed, for the semi-public, for a paying clientele, facilities of today.  

This reinforces the association.

by ATinNM on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 02:04:34 PM EST
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As a New Mexican, take it from me the tourism business is a lousy business to be in.  Very little of the money that flows in stays in the community.  

Better off developing goods and services people need in and during their daily lives: telephones, computers, advanced cybernetic controlled weapons systems (50' killer robots!,) heroin, & etc.  :-)

by ATinNM on Fri Mar 26th, 2010 at 01:31:03 PM EST
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50-foot robots wandering around Cloudcroft? Now that'd be a sight!
by sgr2 on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 01:10:33 PM EST
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