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Thanks for your diary on this, Sven. I've been trying to follow the story, but lacking the requisite Finnish language skills, i must admit I've been a little lost.

When I first read the article ("Pekka Himanen maps out road to Finnish success in coming decade," Hesari, Internat'l Edition, 17.03.2010), my first thought was Whoopee, somebody here finally gets it. What forward-thinking person wouldn't be all in favor of implementing goals like this:

1.  Finland becoming the front-runner in clean environmental and energy technology. Good for the people (creates jobs). Good for the planet, too.

As Timo Kaunisto of the Centre Party pointed out, "We will not need more nuclear capacity for at least 10-15 years after Olkiluoto 3 is built. Now is the time to develop biological energy sources." ("Widespread uncertainty in Parliament over nuclear construction,"Hesari, Internat'l Edition, 22.3.2010.)

  1. Promoting a healthy lifestyle through exercise and proper nutrition. Taxing junk food. Realizing that not all problems that affect people are physical, and it's equally important to address and treat emotional and mental problems, including depression.

  2. Additional funding for the arts and humanities. All I can say about this one is how civilized. How classy. Make love, not war. My sentiments exactly. No wonder Finland is the coolest place on the planet to live.

But then I'm taken back. I try to comprehend the recent commentary written in Finnish, by Virpi Salmi ("Paskanpuhuinen 2.0, Hesari, 21.03.2010). I know a few words of Finnish. I know enough to know that Paska....whatever 2.0 isn't sounding so good. And then you refer to "The Hacker Ethic," like it's a bad thing or something. And I'm wondering . . . what's wrong with hackers? I've lived with a hacker for the last 25 years. Trust me, they may be weird, but they're an okay bunch.  Especially some of the really old timers.

So can you elaborate on what's not to like about Himanen's map for the future that has obviously escaped me?

I always enjoy your posts.

sgr2

by sgr2 on Sun Mar 21st, 2010 at 07:11:42 PM EST
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I'm all for Himanen's proposals, and I sat in the 3 hour meeting this morning with the technocrats here who are organizing industry and research cooperation in the energy and environment sectors. (I'll be writing to Himanen this week to make contact).

There are many types of hackers. Those that are motivated by transparency, cooperation, sharing, open source etc have my full backing, even if their actions against corporations are sometimes 'illegal'. But in fact many times their actions against corporations could also be considered helpful (to the corporations) in exposing sloppy thinking, loose security and the exposing of ever-present bullshit. These 'hackers' I exchange ideas with regularly.

Those hackers motivated by greed and destruction are a different breed. They are vandals. But I do track what they do, because they are part of the technoscape, just as taggers are part of the cityscape. But dignity is not in their vocabulary.

I don't read Virpi Salmi, but from what I've been told she's a lightweight. Her article, which you cite, basically says Himanen's paper is a 'toilet book'. I presume her interests mesh with the National Coalition party - the closest we have to neo-libs in Finland.

And they are already inserting their pointed sticks into Tekes - the funding funnel for the SHOKs - presumably because they think the Center Party is currently weak (which it is). They are trying to cut funding to the SHOKs and I heard some of the nasty political background this morning. The other parties, except for the Swedish Peoples Party, are totally clueless.

However, industry and the research institutions have been talking intensely about these cooperative innovation consortiums for two years and my guess is that the impetus may be unstoppable. We'll have to wait and see.

There's a SHOK conference in Helsinki on 23.04, after which we'll know where these initiatives are heading.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Mar 22nd, 2010 at 08:59:41 AM EST
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Thanks for elaborating. You've cleared up some of the cloudiness on my road to better understanding the political landscape here in Finland.

Good luck on your SHOK conference in April. I'll be awaiting further posts to follow the progress. Hopefully, positive momentum will be on your side and something good will happen rather than the usual rhetoric that often dominates such events.

Off topic:  I think I saw you in the comments of a "Food is the best medicine'" diary where you were looking for kombu and nori? Tokyokan on Annankatu 20 downtown has all that good stuff. Ruohonjuuri at Kamppi also has a good selection of seaweed stuff.  

And finally, rest assured that the hacker of whom I spoke previously definitely is one who relishes in his ability to expose sloppy thinking, loose security, and ever-present bullshit.

by sgr2 on Mon Mar 22nd, 2010 at 02:02:05 PM EST
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Never been to Toyokan - but then I'm just a maalaispoika. ;-)

The 'usual rhetoric' will surely be amply supplied. I gave a little lecture on technocratese today. But then I've been working for years with these high level engineers (who I'd rather have running things than any lawyers). You just have to argue points with them rather differently than with the lawyers. And then argue them again. With diagrams.

My regards to your hacker.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Mar 22nd, 2010 at 02:16:22 PM EST
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Okay, we can make a deal here. You handle the engineer-types, and I'll work with the lawyers. Love the lawyers. Pussycats. All of them. Especially the ones that transform themselves into politicians.

As for you being 'just a maalaispoika,' hey, that's a good thing. Minä olen juuri maalaisnainen nyt myos. But I thought you said your 'hood was Kallio? And isn't that near Crazy Curve, on the #6 line, near downtown?

by sgr2 on Tue Mar 23rd, 2010 at 09:27:41 AM EST
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I'm about 30 kms north of Hki, though we have an office downtown that I visit maybe once a week. Soon moving to Borgå.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Mar 23rd, 2010 at 10:29:56 AM EST
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Welcome to ET, sgr2! Sven is one of our old hands.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Mar 22nd, 2010 at 09:01:24 PM EST
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Hey, thanks for the welcome ARGeezer! Arrived via Jerome via Markos, and delighted to be here. Good to see such high-quality dialogue and lively repartee.
by sgr2 on Tue Mar 23rd, 2010 at 09:33:22 AM EST
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Forgot to say how much I like your name. Can definitely relate.
by sgr2 on Tue Mar 23rd, 2010 at 09:34:54 AM EST
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such high-quality dialogue and lively repartee

that's ET!

welcome aboard, sgr2.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Mar 24th, 2010 at 02:49:13 AM EST
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