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I think Americans and Europeans both suffer from the delusion that the US and Europe are more similar than they actually are. Something like Churchill's "Britain and America are two nations divided by a common language".

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 05:08:39 AM EST
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good point. and very true. having lived here now for 4 years, in Germany and Switzerland its very clear that the cultures are totally different. really different underlying value systems. but there is something unique about americans that blinds them to the rest of the world, and that is the ingrained american notion that somehow in spite of our flaws america is the greatest country in the world. it isnt. as soon as most americans are confronted with data that proves it they start to have something of a breakdown because it shatters a deeply held false myth that america is the greatest country ever. i dont expect america to change, and i dont think the rest of the world should waste anymore time on expecting america to dig the world out of the current situation. it isnt going to happen, rather , i think america will basically go broke in a few years and split up...

Life is not a dress rehearsal
by johnfire (johnfire@christopherrehm.com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 06:00:15 AM EST
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I have seen many Americans go through that sort of "breakdown" in the Bush years. Starting with anger and denial, of course.

The question is what consequences the Obama presidency will have. It seems like in 2008 he allowed people to believe it was all a bad dream that would soon be over (well, some people - for some others a Black president with a muslim name was proof positive of the endtimes). What if people become disenchanted? And, are the teabaggers going through the same breakdown as the progressives did 8 years ago?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 06:08:03 AM EST
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i expect that at some point the dollar will collapse and the american govt will be bankrupt. at that point everything breaks down, america goes into the worst depression the world has ever seen( its heading there already.. trust me) and civil unrest breaks out. it could be a neo fascist type takes over and reorders the american way of life, or it could just devolve into another civil war(  far more likely than most europeans realize, as the differences between the rural and industrial states culturally are much larger than most euros realize) and eventually balkanizes into  6 to 10 smaller countries...


Life is not a dress rehearsal
by johnfire (johnfire@christopherrehm.com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 06:12:12 AM EST
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at some point the dollar will collapse and the american govt will be bankrupt

The US doesn't have much debt (public or private) denominated in currencies other than the US Dollar, so the government can only go bankrupt if the Fed makes the political decision to let it go bankrupt.

However, the US is a net importer so a collapse of the dollar would be painful for consumers.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 06:24:10 AM EST
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a deeply held false myth that america is the greatest country ever

Not just "a" myth. I think that has claim to being the US' national myth.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 06:09:25 AM EST
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