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why stocks should able to outperform GDP growth in the long run

Hmmm, nice one.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Apr 20th, 2010 at 05:12:03 AM EST
it's something that has been flying around in my head for quite a while which I finally want to put to writing with a diary on pensions. I don't know where that article will head, but I am thinking something like 2% management fee plus other costs for everyone to invest in the same universe instead of just taking GDP is a pretty bad transfer of wealth to the finance industry. Mind you, this always assumes (as is the case) that most funds invest in the secondary market and not the primary market...
by crankykarsten (cranky (where?) gmx dot organisation) on Tue Apr 20th, 2010 at 06:51:14 AM EST
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sorry,  I meant taxing GDP
by crankykarsten (cranky (where?) gmx dot organisation) on Tue Apr 20th, 2010 at 06:52:21 AM EST
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That would be an interesting diary. Strongly encouraged!
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Apr 20th, 2010 at 07:28:42 AM EST
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The problem is that growth is a positional good. The fact that your growth is bigger than the other guy's (sic) is at least as important as actual spending power.

So it's impossible to have too much growth, and it's also impossible to do sensible long-term planning when your growth is expected to 'perform' (sic) every day, all the time.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Apr 20th, 2010 at 07:34:48 AM EST
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@tbg

important psycho-point. sanity posits growth as 'upwards and onwards' towards some definable goal, (utopia, gift economy, whatever your image of a better future is(, iow a move to the positive, with attendant sense of arrival, accomplishment, satisfaction, resolution etc, one where equilibrium is possible, whereas for the neurotic mind growth is seen as escape, a ladder out of hell, a way to keep the hounds of the baskervilles from catching up with you, and since these demons are rooted, rotting in the neurosis, there can never be an escape, as no matter how many positional goods one attains, there's always the fear that joe blow next door has the newer model. so there is no equilibrium, resolution, etc, just the 'hungry ghost'* mentality.

aaagh, talk about yer hamster wheel...

* buddhist term for a lost soul, who eats and eats and still stays thin as a wraith.

back to chopping wood and carrying water.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Apr 22nd, 2010 at 06:28:22 AM EST
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The solution would seem to be to make sanity the norm rather than the exception. But how is the question.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Apr 22nd, 2010 at 03:33:24 PM EST
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The answer is change minds, not industries.

Humans need far less stuff when their head seems full.

Growth is the philosophy of the cancer cell.

This is a brainless diary.

Align culture with our nature.

by ormondotvos (ormond no spam lmi net no spam) on Thu Apr 22nd, 2010 at 06:43:28 PM EST
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Well, it is clear that you do not see the substance that I see. The diary does not advocate growth, growth, growth. It shows why the meme has had the power that it does. It is essential to understand that if it is to be confronted.

Please do not make denigrating characterizations of those who go to the effort to attempt to explain important aspects of our economy and society. I find the dairy valuable and worth re-reading. It amplifies insights I have obtained through other recent reading. But you may find this comment "brainless" as well. I am giving you the courtesy of this explanation rather than using one of the lower ratings for your comment.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Apr 22nd, 2010 at 10:33:24 PM EST
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thanks for defending me! :-)

Some people manage to comment without even reading the first paragraph. But that's how the internet (unfortunately) often works...

by crankykarsten (cranky (where?) gmx dot organisation) on Fri Apr 23rd, 2010 at 11:43:39 AM EST
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Well, it is awkward to defend one's self from such characterizations and it is part of what I am supposed to be doing, anyway. But you are more than welcome. I look forward to your next diary.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Apr 23rd, 2010 at 02:57:00 PM EST
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Hint! When ten people, including Jerome and other editors have recommended a diary it is a bad idea to call it brainless.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Apr 22nd, 2010 at 10:45:47 PM EST
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ARGeezer:
But how is the question.

slowly, patiently, one person at a time, maybe?

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Apr 23rd, 2010 at 12:01:03 AM EST
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