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AV is only different from STV for multi-member constituencies which I don't think are in the cards for the UK in any case.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 13th, 2010 at 11:53:51 AM EST
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... since it as replacing a clearly archaic institution with a new one. And there's no argument that amplifying majorities is a good thing, since its a House of Review rather than a House of Government.

Regional PR with 10% or higher thresholds would be my first guess.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Thu May 13th, 2010 at 07:27:37 PM EST
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Or is this an opportunity to revisit the West Lothian question and have a separate list for each of England, Scotland, Wales, and North East Ireland (and a proportionately larger list for England).

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri May 14th, 2010 at 04:31:56 AM EST
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I would elevate the London Assembly to the same level as the other devolved assemblies and make "England" "England minus London".

It is very unfortunate that New Labour botched devolution by defining the English regions top-down rather than bottom up, thus having them fail.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 14th, 2010 at 04:33:50 AM EST
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All of the UK already has a well defines local Government system, so why not define constituencies by County (which have many traditional and practical identifiers) and only combine Counties where a low population would result in a constituency having less that (say) 3 seats.  Effectively that used to be the case in Ireland, although boundaries have been mucked about since.  Cities could be subdivided into more than one constituency where they exceed (say) 5 seats to retain some level of local identification with candidates.  The larger the constituency, the more it favours larger nationally organised parties over local or single issue candidates with lesser funding/organisation.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri May 14th, 2010 at 04:53:26 AM EST
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On the other hand, the fewer the seats per constituency, the harder for national minor parties to get representation - there was a big difference in the Australian Senate when they went from 5 Senators elected per state each election to 6 elected per state each election, and 7 would be even more dramatic.

So I might put the lower threshold at 4 and the upper threshold at 7 before subdividing down to four each.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri May 14th, 2010 at 12:25:30 PM EST
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That's what I meant by regional - Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales, Southeast, London, Southwest, East, East Midlands, West Midlands, Yorkshire and the Humber, Northeast, Northwest.

The regions for England have already been defined. Only London has its own elected assembly, while the others recently had their assemblies stripped from them and replaced with Local Authorities Leadership Boards.

The regions are already the English constituencies in the European parliament.

Unless it is separate PR in Wales and Scotland, the regional parties won't go along. Having it by regions in England itself makes Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland as distinct regions just "more of the same".

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri May 14th, 2010 at 12:13:03 PM EST
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