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... clean government movement to get to the point that we had reached by the 1950's - where corruption was of course not eliminated, but where it was not universally expected and tolerated.

Since then, we've been sliding back the other way, since its not something that maintains itself automatically.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri May 14th, 2010 at 05:15:47 PM EST
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The good old days of Tammany Hall.
by Upstate NY on Sat May 15th, 2010 at 12:09:46 AM EST
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An excellent example ... the demise of Tammany Hall in the 1960's was a victory by the clean government movement, though not as big as establishing a career civil service in the Federal government.

By the 1950's, Tammany Hall was notorious and seen as an aberration, but when it got its start in the 1790's, it was the norm ... just one political machine among many, looking out for the interests of its own as the other political machines looked out for the interests of their own, the urbanization of the pre-Civil War fraternal organizations that looked after civic affairs in many a small town and representative of the Jacksonian ideal of patronage politics.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat May 15th, 2010 at 01:06:58 PM EST
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