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Anyhow, I hardly see how any people can blame a monstrosity such as the Shoah on inflation they suffered 15 years before they starting gassing their victims.

That's a very incendiary statement, not to mention false.  it's one thing to surmise that hyper-inflation was a pre-condition of WWII, quite another to think any Germans think inflation caused "gassing their victims."

I can't point to a modern society who has done more to atone for their transgressions than Germany.  (Leaving out discussing the role of most citizens in causing the holocaust.)  I walk out the door of my house and there are brass markers embedded in the sidewalks with the name of the Jews who lived there before before being carted off to the gashouse.  A reminder for repentant people?

Care to discuss unrepentant Euro-amurkan genocide?  The difference between gassing and passing out smallpox blankets?  The almost total decimation of the buffalo herd so there was nothing to eat and make life's essentials from, or your beloved Minnesotans attacks on villages not at war.

What a cheap frickin' shot, chief redstar.

I sentence you to 10 days without food, walking blindfolded through the Shoah memorial stones in Berlin.  Then you can eat for three days, before you embark on just a few retraces of the various Trail of Tears marches.

Bring me even 5% of Germans who are not unrepentant of their grandparents and great grandparents actions, and even 1% who blame inflation, and i'll simply rip up your house owning treaty and throw you onto a reserve.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue May 18th, 2010 at 09:17:46 AM EST
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Crazy Horse:

Anyhow, I hardly see how any people can blame a monstrosity such as the Shoah on inflation they suffered 15 years before they starting gassing their victims.

That's a very incendiary statement, not to mention false.  it's one thing to surmise that hyper-inflation was a pre-condition of WWII, quite another to think any Germans think inflation caused "gassing their victims."

I think we're getting into picking stylistic nits now...

Jerome a Paris:

Germans think that inflation led to WW2 and the holocaust.


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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 18th, 2010 at 09:36:03 AM EST
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Migs, no it's not a stylistic nit, though you are entitled to read it that way.

And i don't wish to hijack this amazing thread.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue May 18th, 2010 at 09:47:38 AM EST
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I was going with that, but point well taken.

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs
by redstar on Tue May 18th, 2010 at 09:53:27 AM EST
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Having to contemplate Axel "The Axe" Weber as ECB head pushes us all a bit over the edge, n'est pas?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue May 18th, 2010 at 10:16:47 AM EST
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him as part of the bailout.

Germany is definitely calling the shots.

As the Eurozone economy underperforms the rest of the world yet again (as in the first half of the '90's when the Bundesbank imposed high interest rates on the rest of us to finance ost-mark parity and re-building of the East- as well as politically corrupt and illegal funding of centrist politicians in France) we'll know, yet again, who is responsible.

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs

by redstar on Tue May 18th, 2010 at 10:21:46 AM EST
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Do we know how this was drafted?

European Tribune - Spiegel's Euro Delirium Tremens

Article 123
(ex Article 101 TEC)

  1. Overdraft facilities or any other type of credit facility with the European Central Bank or with the central banks of the Member States (hereinafter referred to as "national central banks") in favour of Union institutions, bodies, offices or agencies, central governments, regional, local or other public authorities, other bodies governed by public law, or public undertakings of Member States shall be prohibited, as shall the purchase directly from them by the European Central Bank or national central banks of debt instruments.

  2. Paragraph 1 shall not apply to publicly owned credit institutions which, in the context of the supply of reserves by central banks, shall be given the same treatment by national central banks and the European Central Bank as private credit institutions.
Was there any debate of the rule, or was it simply imposed by Germany with no debate or with some solt of ultimatum to take away their marbles?

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 18th, 2010 at 10:29:13 AM EST
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And, no one with the stones to stand them down, either.

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs
by redstar on Tue May 18th, 2010 at 10:33:09 AM EST
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