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because the budget is 1% of the overall GDP, whereas transfers are capped at 3-4% of the GDP of the recipient country.

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by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue May 18th, 2010 at 05:47:20 AM EST
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Maybe this would be the time to create a pan-UE unemployment benefit.

Unemployment benefit is easier to organize, because there is no question of transfering money to future times. It could take the form of a small VAT increase in all Europe, that would be redistributed as a very small benefit, calcutlated to not distort the wage repartition in the poorest country.

Say for example that the eurozone country with the lowest minimum income is Greece. This benefit would be calculated to be only a fraction of this minimum.

But, it would add up with the other benefits available in the country, and so increase slightly the income of unemployed troughout the continent. Globally, this would have a (small) expansionnary effect, and in effect would bind all countries together.

No argument of "never bail out the greek" would work, because unemployed in ALL countries would get the same benefit, including rich Germany. Obviously, it would relatively be more important for countries with a lower income.

Would this work? Anyway, that would be building Europe.

A free fox in a free henhouse!

by Xavier in Paris on Tue May 18th, 2010 at 11:55:00 AM EST
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A very rough calculation gives:

PIB UE 25:    18 285    milliards $

VAT 0,50%:    91,425    milliards $

Unemployed:    0,0191    billions people UE27
    4786 $ per unemployed per year
     398  $ per unemployed per month

Data is from Eurostat and IMF through wikipedia and mixes happily data for UE25, UE27 and 2007/2008. Nevertheless, for a rough calculation I think It's OK.
Of course the system would have to be limited to eurozone countries to keep within the "optimal currency area".

A free fox in a free henhouse!

by Xavier in Paris on Tue May 18th, 2010 at 12:07:30 PM EST
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I'll add that 400$/month is much more than the "low additionnal income" I had in mind.

I was more on something about 100/200€ per month, much lower than minimum wages or minimum income in any country, this being something additionnal to national benefits.

A free fox in a free henhouse!

by Xavier in Paris on Tue May 18th, 2010 at 12:13:50 PM EST
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Xavier in Paris:
398  $ per unemployed per month
As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, Spain instituted an emergency €420/mo payment to the long-term unemployed who had exhausted their unemployment benefits. The minimum wage for 2010 is €633/mo (usually 13 times a year). this page has 2008 minimum wage data from Eurostat
   País        SMI mes 
------------  ---------
Luxemburgo    1.610 €
Irlanda       1.462 €
Holanda       1.357 €
Bélgica       1.336 €
Francia       1.321 €
Gran Bretaña  1.148 €
Grecia		681 €
España		600 €
Portugal	497 €
Polonia 	334 €
Rumanía 	137 €
Bulgaria	112 €


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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 18th, 2010 at 12:14:21 PM EST
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To Mig: the idea is not to replace the spanish, german or french or whatever existing benefits but to ADD a European low benefit on top of it, that would be financed by a small global VAT increase and paid to any unemployed in any country within the Eurozone.

I'm so bad  at english I don't know if I conveyed the idea properly.

A free fox in a free henhouse!

by Xavier in Paris on Tue May 18th, 2010 at 12:17:32 PM EST
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I was just contributing some data for scale, you made your point clearly enough, but "the minimum wage in any country" was vague...

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 18th, 2010 at 12:19:13 PM EST
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Thanks for the data. ;-)

I'll add another argument. It is usually assumed that organizations tend to defend their existence once created. At the moment, we have a set of european institutions that are defending themselves quite well: European Commission, European Parliament, European Council... Nearly all of them are of an economically conservative culture.

If such a system would be created, this means that some European "social" administration would be created and then defend itself, but which culture would be representative of traditionnal European social state rather than of anglo-economics. This would participate in a useful balance of power at the top.

A free fox in a free henhouse!

by Xavier in Paris on Wed May 19th, 2010 at 04:48:00 AM EST
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