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There is a simple answer: increased taxes.

When you're in a liquidity trap, fiddling with the tax code does you very little good: The problem is that one part of the private sector - the businessmen - are neutering another part of the private sector - the engineers.

The solution to that is for the state to take a more active and explicit role in maintaining industrial production. That happens on the sovereign expenditure side of the equation, not on the tax income side.

You won't get me to say that tax hikes on the wealthy are a bad idea, but right now it's distinctly secondary to the need for the public sector to start explicitly underwriting industrial production.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue May 18th, 2010 at 07:36:52 AM EST
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In Finland, this is being done through the SHOKs - or centers of strategic excellence - that bring industry and research academia together with state funding to vastly improve the innovation chain. Consortiums are shared equally between the 2 sides, as is IPR benefit, and focus on a particular area. There is, for example, a Smart Grids consortium within the Energy and Environment SHOK.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue May 18th, 2010 at 07:43:05 AM EST
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JakeS:
the need for the public sector to start explicitly underwriting industrial production.

yes, but _ exclusively green_ industry, otherwise we remain in the same old paradigm of more polluting car sales making for good numbers, (and no regard for'externalities', like peoples' health, at all).

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue May 18th, 2010 at 08:02:27 AM EST
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Colbertism is back in fashion : Sarkozy has announced a target of 25% increase in French industrial production in the next six years.

(why six? what's wrong with a "five year plan"?)

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Tue May 18th, 2010 at 08:23:49 AM EST
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but again, given that the problem is debt overhang, it's still better if that public spending is financed by current resources (which are being unused because of the liquidity trap anyway) than by creating more debt.

As the current crisis is showing, markets are showing at least some unwillingness to finance public spending (in some places). That door being closed, you can either go the political route by printing money, or the political route by raising taxes.

Raising taxes is compatible with German neuroses.

Wind power

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue May 18th, 2010 at 09:02:04 AM EST
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So, according to you German neuroses are incompatible with both inflation and taxes. They don't appear to be incompatible with bailouts for the German banks or with collapse of GDP in other European countries. Why do dangerous neuroses have to be countenanced?

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 18th, 2010 at 09:12:50 AM EST
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the bank bailouts were presented as absolutely indispensable to avoid immediate apocalypse, and the costs were never made clear (remember how much emphasis there was on how these would be "interest carrying loans" and the like) - and they are still massively hated by the populace.

Here, the stabilization fund has similarly come at a time when it was the supposed alternative to some kind of collapse, but it's been sold as a sign of duty (to the European ideal) rather than a vital interest, and the (much more certain) profitability of the loans has been underplayed.

And note that in the two cases, the interests of the financial world are radically opposite - in the case of the bank bailout, the markets had no interest to continue to cause unrest; here there is the obvious benefit of cost cutting across the board, lower wages, pensions etc, and the added bonus of bringing down to size the European social model.

Collapsing GDP in one country is unlikely to touch the citizens of another that much, unfortunately.

Wind power

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue May 18th, 2010 at 09:59:58 AM EST
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Poorly, stupidly and corruptly done, which seems to be the current fashion, this would result in products which are not purchased, squandering resources and capital, which would lead to inflation, but it would provide employment.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue May 18th, 2010 at 09:14:02 AM EST
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Yes, there are no moron-proof ways to deal with an economic slump. More generally, there are no moron-proof systems, full stop. And even if there were, the universe is in the business of developing ever better morons. The same is true for cronyism, of course.

Poorly, stupidly and corruptly done, any government action will be a disaster.

The reason many of the classical liberals of the Enlightenment opposed government intervention to the extent that they did was that poor, corrupt and stupid governments were the historical norm.

Honesty, integrity and competence in your legislature: Accept no substitute.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue May 18th, 2010 at 11:29:57 AM EST
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Moronic seems to be the actual mean, and we all know that we always have reversion to the mean. History explained.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue May 18th, 2010 at 11:53:20 AM EST
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Honesty, integrity and competence in your legislature: Accept no substitute.

When you have a choice of a candidate that is honest, competent and competent things are easy. Things are seldom easy. Gresham's Law has been at work too long.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue May 18th, 2010 at 07:22:08 PM EST
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