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In the case of Greece, just rolling over the debt may cost 20 to 25% of GDP each year, while paying the interest may be anywhere between 5 and 10% of GDP (less for the older debt, more for the most recently issued).

So, defaulting on the debt would free up over 25% of GDP making spending cuts unnecessary.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 26th, 2010 at 12:28:18 PM EST
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What, what?

Rolling over the debt doesn't entail Greece paying money, netwise. They repay a loan and issue another (albeit with a higher interest) to cover that repayment.

Interest on the other hand is a real cost, and when you're shut out of the capital markets because you've defaulted you'll either need to print money or reduce your deficit to zero, by definition.

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by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Wed May 26th, 2010 at 12:56:27 PM EST
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What I meant is that the principal of the maturing debt needs to be paid in full - and that's 20-25% of GDP. Because Greece cannot afford this, they must take a new loan in order to pay the old one. Greece's problem is not that they cannot pay interest, it's that they cannot roll over the debt.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 26th, 2010 at 01:47:28 PM EST
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Been pointing this out for some time.

The critical factor in bankruptcy prevention is the necessity of either paying off or rolling over as-due debt.  Most entities today - and I don't care who they are - are not in a position to wind down on debt.  Thus they have to work to carry it forward.  All of these entities can, therefore, be "blackmailed" by the major financial institutions.

by ATinNM on Wed May 26th, 2010 at 01:53:19 PM EST
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Imagine if the usual mortgage were 25 years of interest-only plus a full redemption of the principal at maturity, instead of a stream of roughy constant payments gradually amortizing the loan.

The usual bond payment structure is insane and encourages borrowers to engage in "speculative finance" in Minsky's terms. Adverse conditions leading to gradually increasing debt principal ("deficit") are "ponzi finance", at which point the entity is vulnerable to a run (defined as the inability to place debt of any maturity).


By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 26th, 2010 at 02:03:59 PM EST
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Imagine if the usual mortgage were 25 years of interest-only ... & etc.

Paying simple versus compound interest payments makes a difference, other than that .... yeah.

The usual bond payment structure is insane ...

Can't argue with that, either.  Before the Loot and Scoot School of Management came 'round it was possible for companies to amass a sinking fund which, in theory and occasional practice, was used to retire the debt.  Now that pile of loot is mere fodder for the predators and makes the company even that more of a take-over target.

Add interest payments are an above the line tax deduction and dividends (cost of equity payments) are an after tax disbursement, and the debt/equity ratios get shoved to the debt side.  

Adverse conditions leading to gradually increasing debt principal ("deficit") are "ponzi finance", at which point the entity is vulnerable to a run

I firmly maintain ANY system containing a unregulated - of whatever nature - positive feedback loop WILL jump the shark/reach a Tipping Point.  The singular, exact nature of such is dependent on the focus or 'core' of the phenomena or phenomenological system undergoing transition.  For banks it's a run.  For Logisitic systems it's our old friend the Feigenbaum Logistic Map.

by ATinNM on Wed May 26th, 2010 at 04:44:46 PM EST
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I wonder to what extent the current market volatility is analogous to critical opalescence...

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 27th, 2010 at 04:14:01 AM EST
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Personally, I think we could do with some more Lyapunovian stability, but that may be a factor of my age...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu May 27th, 2010 at 07:58:27 AM EST
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Consols FTW?

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by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Wed May 26th, 2010 at 07:02:57 PM EST
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Off the top of my head, better would be the government selling a series of payments for a fixed time.  Could throw in some kind of death duty offset, i.e., the Net Present Value of the payment stream is returned for that, or some, amount of Tax Credit.  I'd restrict that to personal taxation.
by ATinNM on Wed May 26th, 2010 at 08:07:49 PM EST
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