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What a sad, hollow shell of its former self socialism has become. A generation ago there would likely have been economists who could have accurately diagnosed the nature of the problem and identified feasible paths through the storm. Now such economists are not just out of power and influence but effectively have been discredited and marginalized. It is appalling than no one in a "socialist" party should be able to diagnose a problem deriving from the excesses of the very wealthy.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu May 27th, 2010 at 12:03:03 PM EST
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ARGeezer:
It is appalling than no one in a "socialist" party should be able to diagnose a problem deriving from the excesses of the very wealthy.
I don't know about the diagnosis of the problem, but definitely it was still not seen as politically expedient:

European Tribune - Spain Crisis Report

[Zapatero] also espoused his philosophy that he didn't want to be accused of being a "demagogue" for trying to neutralise impopular measures such as freezing pensions until 2011 and cutting public servants' wages with a simultaneous tax raise for "the rich".


By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 27th, 2010 at 12:26:03 PM EST
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It seems that most of "the left" almost everywhere volunteered for a Neo-Classical/Neo-Liberal mind transplant sometime in the last twenty years. What remains of their former selves is "concerns" about social solidarity, which, regrettably, can no longer be the basis of action due to the mind transplant. The ones with intact faculties are mostly in their 80s and 90s. Looks like renewal is going to have to start from scratch, effectively, if it is to happen at all, anywhere.  

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu May 27th, 2010 at 01:44:56 PM EST
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It seems that most of "the left" almost everywhere volunteered for a Neo-Classical/Neo-Liberal mind transplant sometime in the last twenty years.

That may have been a generational thing. Remember that the economic conventional wisdom threw Keynes out with the bathwater during the 1970's stagflation. Pretty much anyone born after 1960 has basically been educated in neoclassical economics or MBA-think, and that's if they have a formal economics education as opposed to what you pick up from pundits, best-selling paperbacks and the guy at the bar. Throw in the "electability" dynamic and you end up with the hegemonic parties of the left putting their economic policy apparatus in the hands of "serious" economists (albeit with the heart in the right - that is, left - place) with, in hindsight, unsurprising consequences.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 27th, 2010 at 02:27:30 PM EST
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I think this is the real problem of socail democrats.

noone faced merkel with the real problem.
Noone threateened to stop paying the debt if it was not monetize. Noone insisted on germany inflation.

And,e ven itn eh worst case scenario , nobody proposed a full tax ont he rich to compensate for teh losses.

The sad truth is that they might not know what hit them. It is really sad... this is the case or... Spain was blackmailed. That is anotehr option .. because someone somewhere must know that you can not contract yourself out of a crisis.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Thu May 27th, 2010 at 01:52:27 PM EST
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