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Israel and Turkey: no love lost | 87 comments (87 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Israel and Turkey: no love lost (4.00 / 2)

Everything I read here about Turkey Israel spat over gaza was interesting but I would like to note that we are at its very early stage. If this conflict escalates into something serious it will take time, at least weeks, maybe months. So we need to emphasize that most versions presented here are highly hypothetical.

I agree that Turkey was very important ally of US and won't tolerate usual handling of "Muslim allies" at the hands of Western Powers which treat them second rate, Israel always first rate.

Another possibility which we may speculate about is "regime change" in Turkey, what if US will instigate military takeover in Ankara? How EU and NATO will react to coup?

by FarEasterner on Tue Jun 1st, 2010 at 01:26:39 PM EST

Re: Israel and Turkey: no love lost (4.00 / 4)

I sincerely hope the US doesn't try "regime change" in Ankara. That course of action would be foolish at the outer bounds of foolishness.

by ATinNM on Tue Jun 1st, 2010 at 01:33:00 PM EST
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Re: Israel and Turkey: no love lost (4.00 / 3)

Likely explosive. The only plausible candidates are the now discredited "secularist" generals and colonels.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jun 1st, 2010 at 05:30:33 PM EST
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Re: Israel and Turkey: no love lost (none / 1)

A few years ago, something like this was the subject of a best-selling novel in Turkey.

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Jun 1st, 2010 at 05:46:31 PM EST
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Re: Israel and Turkey: no love lost (none / 0)

Who said anything about "trying?"

Turkey already has Ergenekon.

It's not like the USA would have to do much to apply pressure.

by Upstate NY on Tue Jun 1st, 2010 at 11:58:22 PM EST
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Re: Israel and Turkey: no love lost (4.00 / 4)

That would be a catastrophe of the highest order. The US can't pull-off "regime change" on a country as large, complex and stable as Turkey.

by paving on Tue Jun 1st, 2010 at 05:47:12 PM EST
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Re: Israel and Turkey: no love lost (none / 1)

Sure it could.

Turkey has so many many pressure points.

All around it.

Greece, Cyprus, the Kurds, even Syria.

by Upstate NY on Tue Jun 1st, 2010 at 11:59:17 PM EST
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Re: Israel and Turkey: no love lost (4.00 / 3)

You see how our half-assed work in Iraq is going?

by paving on Wed Jun 2nd, 2010 at 12:21:34 AM EST
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Re: Israel and Turkey: no love lost (none / 0)

Turkey has had one coup over another over the years.

by Upstate NY on Wed Jun 2nd, 2010 at 12:27:29 AM EST
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Re: Israel and Turkey: no love lost (4.00 / 3)

There's a significant difference between tossing your own governments (the military in Turkey is more popular anyway) and having the Empire meddling in your business. I see no evidence that the US is capable of engineering a proper coup in the present era, look at the mess in Honduras. Turkey is a universe more challenging.

by paving on Wed Jun 2nd, 2010 at 02:58:28 AM EST
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Re: Israel and Turkey: no love lost (none / 0)

I'm of course referring to the Turkish military. It's coups have had tacit US support, and it's been only recently that the USA and EU have applied pressure on Turkey to prevent the military from having political interference.

by Upstate NY on Wed Jun 2nd, 2010 at 09:11:10 AM EST
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Re: Israel and Turkey: no love lost (none / 0)

But the noises we're hearing from Turkey is that the military is entirely on board with Erdogan on this issue.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Jun 2nd, 2010 at 02:31:20 PM EST
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Right, on this issue.

All I'm saying is that if the USA applies certain pressure points to Turkey, the generals will see an opening.

by Upstate NY on Wed Jun 2nd, 2010 at 06:58:04 PM EST
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Re: Israel and Turkey: no love lost (none / 1)

Does that mean the government of Turkey counters by ramping up the threat of war?

_{aspiring to genteel poverty}

by edwin (eeeeeeee222222rrrrreeeeeaaaaadddddd@@@@yyyyaaaaaaa) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 08:00:00 AM EST
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Re: Israel and Turkey: no love lost (none / 1)

I don't think Erdogan gets himself into that kind of mess where he has to back down and lose face.

by Upstate NY on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 11:04:06 AM EST
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Re: Israel and Turkey: no love lost (4.00 / 2)

In fact, Erdogan has offered to forget the whole thing (more or less), provided Israel lifts the Gaza siege.

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 12:06:43 PM EST
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Re: Israel and Turkey: no love lost (none / 0)

Today's Süddeutsche has an article about the murder of Luigi Padovese in which they mention in passing some plans that were uncovered this year of a plot to murder Christians, pin the blame on Islamists, and use this as an excuse for a military coup. Does anybody know anything about this? Is is just fantasy, or is there anything to it?

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 04:36:52 PM EST
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