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"This research shows what ordinary members of the public think is needed - not just to survive but to take part in society," said Julia Unwin, chief executive of the JRF.
Re-quoting
Adam Smith: The Wealth of Nations (Project Gutenberg)
By necessaries I understand, not only the commodities which are indispensibly necessary for the support of life, but whatever the custom of the country renders it indecent for creditable people, even of the lowest order, to be without. A linen shirt, for example, is, strictly speaking, not a necessary of life. The Greeks and Romans lived, I suppose, very comfortably, though they had no linen. But in the present times, through the greater part of Europe, a creditable day-labourer would be ashamed to appear in public without a linen shirt, the want of which would be supposed to denote that disgraceful degree of poverty, which, it is presumed, nobody can well fall into without extreme bad conduct. Custom, in the same manner, has rendered leather shoes a necessary of life in England. The poorest creditable person, of either sex, would be ashamed to appear in public without them. In Scotland, custom has rendered them a necessary of life to the lowest order of men; but not to the same order of women, who may, without any discredit, walk about barefooted. In France, they are necessaries neither to men nor to women; the lowest rank of both sexes appearing there publicly, without any discredit, sometimes in wooden shoes, and sometimes barefooted. Under necessaries, therefore, I comprehend, not only those things which nature, but those things which the established rules of decency have rendered necessary to the lowest rank of people. All other things I call luxuries, without meaning, by this appellation, to throw the smallest degree of reproach upon the temperate use of them. Beer and ale, for example, in Great Britain, and wine, even in the wine countries, I call luxuries. A man of any rank may, without any reproach, abstain totally from tasting such liquors. Nature does not render them necessary for the support of life; and custom nowhere renders it indecent to live without them.


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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 06:15:01 AM EST
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Note also that having a car is not seen as necessary in the U.K.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 06:17:10 AM EST
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Depends on where you live.

ThatBritGuy:

[Car ownership]'s not an unreasonable assumption out here. Buying a jalopy for a thousand pounds or so is cheaper than trying to get around on public transport.

The point isn't whether or not public transport is available, but how much it costs.

Public transport in London isn't that much more affordable - if at all - than a car is here.

(part of this thread on whether spending £400 a week for a house is a luxury or a necessity.

Note £400 a week is £20,800 a year. I don't know whether the calculation that assigns that much in housing benefit to a household assumes a larger family than the 2 asults and one child that supposedly need at least £29,200 a year...

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 07:03:30 AM EST
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London is not the U.K. As far as I could tell, the study we are talking about doesn't even mention London...
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 07:06:25 AM EST
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I think
having a car is not seen as necessary in the U.K.
and
London is not the U.K.
is having your cake and eating it, too.

Either you live in a large, dense, metropolitan area or a car is a necessity.

For instance (from my experience) the periphery of Nottingham requires a car because even in parts served by the local authority's buses they don't run often. According to Wikipedia

Whilst the City of Nottingham has a historically tightly drawn boundary which accounts for its relatively small population of 288,700, the wider Nottingham Urban Area has a population of 667,000 and is the seventh-largest urban area in the United Kingdom, ranking between those of Liverpool and Sheffield.
so, in my book, even "the seventh-largest urban area" in the UK requires a car if you're among the 2/3 of the population not living in the City of Nottingham proper.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 07:29:50 AM EST
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The report allows for occasional use of taxis as well as public transport.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 07:54:52 AM EST
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BBC News - Living 'costs at least £14,400' for a single person
since 2008, the JRF has gathered information from focus groups to set a benchmark for an "acceptable standard of living".

For example, it now considers a computer and home internet connection as essential for all working age households. In previous years this has only been necessary for people with school-age children, it concluded.

Pensioners, however, thought the internet was growing in relevance - but not yet a necessity.

...

The essentials required for a minimum standard of living have not been reduced in people's thinking, despite the level of economic uncertainty, the Foundation said.

For example, a week's holiday a year in the UK was still considered necessary to participate at an acceptable level in society.

Well, clearly, if
By necessaries [we] understand, not only the commodities which are indispensibly necessary for the support of life, but whatever the custom of the country renders it indecent for creditable people, even of the lowest order, to be without.


By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 07:16:39 AM EST
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