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Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 02:51:26 PM EST
Arguments From Authority - Paul Krugman Blog - NYTimes.com

A quick note on David Brooks's column today. I have no idea what he's talking about when he says,

The Demand Siders don't have a good explanation for the past two years

Funny, I thought we had a perfectly good explanation: severe downturn in demand from the financial crisis, and a stimulus which we warned from the beginning wasn't nearly big enough. And as I've been trying to point out, events have strongly confirmed a demand-side view of the world.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 03:10:59 PM EST
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Krugman evidently doesn't understand how effective in forming opinions the accumulated and repetitive assertion of untrue statements from multiple sources can be on the low information (ie NYT reader) voter.


keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 04:58:19 PM EST
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The moral I've taken from recent years isn't Be Humble -- it's Question Authority. And you should too.

"BN  11:58 *KRUGMAN: U.S SHOULD USE `EVERYTHING WE CAN' TO BOOST GDP, JOBS
 BN  11:58 *NOBEL LAUREATE KRUGMAN COMMENTS IN BLOOMBERG TV INTERVIEW
 BN  11:58 *KRUGMAN SAYS FED SHOULD HAVE 3%-4% INFLATION TARGET LONG TERM
 BN  11:58 *KRUGMAN SAYS U.S. GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO `GO OUT AND HIRE PEOPLE'
 BN  11:58 *KRUGMAN SAYS SECOND MAJOR STIMULUS PLAN PROBABY WON'T HAPPEN
 BN  11:58 *KRUGMAN SAYS U.S. ECONOMY MAY BE FACING A `VERY LONG SIEGE'
 BN  11:58 *PRINCETON'S KRUGMAN: `MARKETS HAVE BEEN FAIRLY CALM SO FAR'
 BN  11:58 *KRUGMAN SAYS FEDERAL RESERVE SHOULD DO MORE QUANTITATIVE EASING"
source

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 05:41:48 PM EST
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"But see! We DID a stimulus and it DIDN'T WORK! Repeat  ad nauseum.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 05:55:51 PM EST
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Face it, you can't win against these idiots.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 05:57:33 PM EST
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which ones?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 06:03:26 PM EST
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The supply-siders. They own the soapbox and they're not afraid to speak in soundbites.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 06:04:40 PM EST
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you can't win against these idiots.

A bunch of "non-mainstream economists" certainly cannot win by themselves. As for whether a POTUS could win, first he would have to give it his best shot and then keep shooting. But that is why we have Obama.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 06:28:49 PM EST
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oh. dear. I found this only today. (ht SMBIVA) Note, level of enthusiasm since Jan 2009.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 10:15:37 PM EST
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Note the disappearance of Laura Tyson from any public association with B.O.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 11:41:25 PM EST
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yep.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Wed Jul 7th, 2010 at 07:22:19 AM EST
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Financial reform is D.O.A. Window dressing. What's next? An implosion? Yes, a depression. Dead ahead.  By Paul B. Farrell, MarketWatch

Scott Adams warned of this trend in "Dilbert & the Way of the Weasel." Forget competition. No, capitalism breeds monopolies, it's a "financial system designed to transfer money from lesser weasels to greater weasels. Someday, if everything goes according to plan, one supreme weasel will have all the money and everyone else will be his or her domestic servant."

....

...99% of America's wealth remains concentrated in Wall Street's "Conspiracy of Weasels." They know only one thing, blindly "follow the money. If you took the same amount of money" traded daily on the NYSE, "sealed it in drums and dropped it in the ocean, 4 billion weasels would drown just trying to be near it."

When Obama signs the so-called reform bill, blow a goodbye kiss to our last great hope for true reform: Obama failed. True reform will never happen. Wall Street gains more power fighting every new reform bill, making massive investments in lobbyists. Witness their rapid return to power since near-bankruptcy in 2008.

No, the Weasel Conspiracy members didn't drown, they rule America. They killed democracy, destroyed capitalism and are consolidating vast new wealth and power in the hands of this conspiracy of Wall Street, Corporate CEOs, the Forbes 400 and Washington's pay-to-play power-players. Result: Less than one million co-conspirators control a nation of 310 million citizens.

Here are 12 more warnings exposing the Weasel Conspiracy's phony financial reforms:


Market Watch is about as mainstream as financial blogs get. This should make it obvious why true financial reform always had to be the first priority for the incoming Obama Administration -- if they wanted to accomplish ANYTHING lasting, including Health Care Reform.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 06:15:07 PM EST
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So, what's in store for 2012?

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 06:20:23 PM EST
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"It is a place I cannot look. When I do I see chaos and darkness."  :-0  

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 06:23:20 PM EST
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To paraphrase the Reverend Mother.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 06:23:48 PM EST
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Are you suggesting we need to find the Kumquat Hatrack?

:-D

by ATinNM on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 10:52:54 PM EST
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Something like that!

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 11:33:51 PM EST
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An Official™ SF LitCrit kinda guy friend of mine stoutly maintains the underlying point of the Dune series¹ is:

Messiahs are a really Bad Thing.

Whether or not that's what Herbert was trying to say - I lack the knowledge to state one way or the other - I submit it's hard to argue against.  Seems to me as soon as the Great Sky Father enters reason flees.  

¹  With new books STILL being published 14 years after Herbert ate it!

by ATinNM on Wed Jul 7th, 2010 at 12:12:58 AM EST
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I thought it was 'Never be ruled by worms'?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jul 7th, 2010 at 06:17:53 AM EST
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And there was me thinking the underlying point was

Don't read past the first volume.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jul 7th, 2010 at 06:41:54 AM EST
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You didn't like The God Emperor of Dune and the Certified Public Accountants of Arrakis?

Thought the chapter where the The Worm insists on a restructure of the basis of amortization of the Space Guild's ships one of the more moving passages in all of Science Fiction.

;-)

by ATinNM on Wed Jul 7th, 2010 at 12:03:52 PM EST
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Im sorry I just couldn't read past return of the sun of the god king emperor of dune

but I'll take your word that its a literary masterwork.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jul 7th, 2010 at 12:48:17 PM EST
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Or "By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes."

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 06:29:03 PM EST
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I don't see anything very good on the horizon. Timing and form of future developments are what is most unclear.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 07:07:39 PM EST
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That, of course, is with respect to the economy. This does not bode well for Obama and the Democrats. Their half-hearted efforts will be revealed for the window dressing they are. But the voters don't want what the Republicans or the Democrats are selling. We could end up with a lot of Libertarians and Independents or a new party could arise. You may or may not remember how quickly Ross Perot's party arose and what effect it had on the '92 election, though I am certain you are familiar with it.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 07:14:00 PM EST
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Ross Perot, yes, but epic fail.

Newt Gingrich was the one who succeeded by creating and sucking the withered members of this kind of chaos.


Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Wed Jul 7th, 2010 at 01:21:21 AM EST
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He spoiled Bush the Father's vote and handed the Preznithood too Clinton?

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 7th, 2010 at 04:00:40 AM EST
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I'm an optimist ... the US crumbles.  We start from there.  Good bye empire.

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Wed Jul 7th, 2010 at 06:18:10 AM EST
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Well I'll be ...

Municipal Government To Spend 500 Million To Create 150 Jobs

Reykjavík's municipal government recommends spending 500 million on city development projects in addition to the 150 million that has already been approved for this year, according Eyjan.is.

The coalition government claims this new budget will strengthen the city`s economy. Mayor Jón Gnarr was scheduled to present the proposal at the city council meetings over the weekend but the meeting was postponed to today. Some of the development projects that will be undertaken include bicycle and walking paths, playgrounds, maintenance for city-owned elementary schools and kindergartens. These projects are supposed to create 150 jobs by the end of the year.

Source: The Reykjavik Grapevine

by ATinNM on Tue Jul 6th, 2010 at 10:18:43 PM EST
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Joe Bageant: Waltzing at the Doomsday Ball

When the U.S., and then the world's money economy started to crumble, the first thing capitalist economists could think of to do was to monkey with the paper. That's all they knew how to do. It was unthinkable that the tertiary virtual economy, that great backroom fraud of debt manipulation and fiat money, might have finally reached the limits of the material earth to support. That the money economy's gaming of workers and Mother Nature might itself might be the problem never occurred to the world's economic movers and shakers. It still hasn't. (Except for Chavez, Morales, Castro and Lula). Jobs disappeared, homes went to foreclosure, and personal debt was at staggering all time highs. America's working folks were taking it square in the face. Not that economists or financial kingpins cared much one way or the other. In the capitalist financial world, everything is an opportunity. Cancer? Build cancer hospital chains. Pollution? Sell pollution credits. The country gone bankrupt?

"Nothing to do," cried the mad hatters of finance, "but print more money, and give gobs of cash to the banks! Yes, yes, yes! Borrow astronomical amounts of the stuff and bribe every fat cat financial corporation up and down The Street!" All of which came down to creating more debt for the common people to work off. They seem willing enough to do it too -- if only they had jobs.

Along with the EU, Japan and the rest of the industrial world, the US continues to flood the market with cheap credit. That would be hunky dory, if was actually wealth for anybody but a banker. The real problems are debt and fraud, and tripling the debt in order to cover up the fraud. And pretending there no natural costs of our actions, that we do not have to rob the natural world to crank up the money world through debt.



~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jul 7th, 2010 at 06:33:17 AM EST
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