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Pardon me. I read that holdtoaccount article. Had to: cash value added (CVA) is not an accounting term. It's another fin-cannibal sales tool: the easy way to calculate premium by comparing firms' cash flows!

Again, [proprietary] accounting standards differ slightly in wording, but in principal the fair value of a liability [sic] is the price at which an entity [sic] could extinguish any future obligations, in an arm's length transaction.

The writer means the fair value of a SECURITY which is distinct from the "value of a liability," the total balance remaining or specified principal plus total interest owed. By "entity" I suppose the writer means seller, who may or may not be the only "creditor" entitled to the coupon rate since its issue. The PRICE of a marketable bond necessarily diminishes over time with balance of payments due.

That said, the sale date of the note WRT maturity date of the note is the more reliable gauge of PRICE, regardless of unobservable inputs ascribed by firm accountants to secured or unsecured assets' income or, even, amount of CDS proceeds applied to issuer's repayment schedule.

My question is --absent government intervention of securities circulating whereby treasury agents buy  paper in the secondary market in order to sell those securities at a discount to their issuers OR exercise equity warrants  -- at what point in the period is a bondtrader most likely to surrender a note for sale to its issuer below cost, i.e. price paid for the bond or balance of income to maturity?

I'm thinking, never, barring personal catastrophe, say, long-term unemployment or grandma's eviction.

It seems to me, this material is merely a explanation of one of a number of "mark-to-model" valuation methods --no matter how often the writer evokes the phrase "fair value"-- rather than fair ("mark-to-market") value reporting criteria proposed by FASB. (pdf).




Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Jul 13th, 2010 at 03:29:19 PM EST
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"except for derivative assets and liabilities"  How nice.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jul 13th, 2010 at 08:42:50 PM EST
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Hold up. (Don't laugh too hard.) ¶ 820-10-50-2 (c-d) specifies appropriate disclosure of a Level 3 instrument credit event or transaction (purchase, sales, issuances, and settlements) resulting in a net gain or loss of other recognized income --OR--  transfer of a Level 2 or Level 1 instrument's fair value between classes.

As everyone knows, Topic 820, now in revision, is the new name of FAS 157 which defined asset classes for Basel II "unification" purposes

  • Level 1. Quoted prices in active markets for identical assets or liabilities; observable price
  • Level 2. assets do not have observable prices, but have inputs that are based on observable prices.
  • Level 3. Significant unobservable inputs of the fair value calculation of another asset

(NB. Liability classes require no other critera --one dood's asset is the other's liability--though one do wonder, which column of the counterpartays gets to claim authoritay.)

Possibly related hooha of "complex structured financial product" EXPORTS:
Level 2 assets are the new Level 3
NYSSCPA to FASB: Weak!
Dems to NeuLabradores: Automate Suckas!, or the Blueprint for Working Families and Women Returns

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Jul 14th, 2010 at 08:23:53 AM EST
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at what point in the period is a bondtrader most likely to surrender a note for sale to its issuer below cost, i.e. price paid for the bond or balance of income to maturity?

When he is convinced that it is now in fact worth less than the price offered and likely to further decline? If the choice could be taking a haircut or suffering a near total loss, he might take the haircut. Or not, depending on testosterone levels.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jul 13th, 2010 at 09:06:27 PM EST
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One has to consider default risk and recovery rate...

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 14th, 2010 at 09:25:40 AM EST
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ahh yess.

Market solution? or CIVIL ACTION?
Market solution? or CIVIL ACTION?
Market solution? or CIVIL ACTION?

bacon, bacon, bacon, I want bacon.

What to do, what to do...

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Jul 14th, 2010 at 10:17:28 AM EST
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Both and, not either or.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Jul 14th, 2010 at 11:32:27 AM EST
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Cat:
cash value added (CVA) is not an accounting term
But I thought we were talking about Credit Valuation Adjustment (CVA)?

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 14th, 2010 at 09:22:14 AM EST
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lol. Could be. Finance gives me gas anyhoo.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Wed Jul 14th, 2010 at 10:13:17 AM EST
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Cat:
It seems to me, this material is merely a explanation of one of a number of "mark-to-model" valuation methods --no matter how often the writer evokes the phrase "fair value"-- rather than fair ("mark-to-market") value reporting criteria proposed by FASB.
Nice...

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 14th, 2010 at 09:24:47 AM EST
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