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The problem is not intelligence but information ... for instance, if you get economic information from Geithner and Summers, some of the most effective available policies will not be on the table.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Jul 17th, 2010 at 06:44:49 AM EST
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If Obama allows himself to be insulated from the opinions of the critics of Geithner and Summers, the rationale they present and the interests they serve, cannot consider that they might be compromised and wrong, cannot summon the effort to personally consider alternatives, why should he be deserving of anything but harsh judgment now and in the future? Why cannot he at least spend a few hours in deep discussion with Simon Johnson, Senior Research Staff for The Peterson Institute? I do not take comfort from the reports that Obama sleeps well at night.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Jul 18th, 2010 at 01:32:13 AM EST
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Why cannot he at least spend a few hours in deep discussion with Simon Johnson, Senior Research Staff for The Peterson Institute?

because things aren't bad enough yet? (shudder).

what i don't get is why elisabeth warren? i love the woman, she could unmask all the geithner/paulson canoodling in a few pithy paragraphs, in words the average person can understand.

in the swamp of alligators that is wall street, he sticks her alone and undefended.

not that she needs it, lol. is she the 'enemy' being clutched closer with intent to disarm? a token? or a mole that with the power of truth can rip open the shady veil. i am so rooting for her, and i think she will be the one to funnel more disparate and visionary economists into the vacuum created by the present crisis.

shock doctrine in reverse! she seems pretty unswiftboatable too...

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Jul 18th, 2010 at 05:31:33 AM EST
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I was thinking of her while composing the above comment. For all I know he has been talking to her, but to no avail. In any case he certainly has every opportunity to do so and would have to be willfully obtuse not to know what she thinks of much of what is happening.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Jul 18th, 2010 at 09:38:57 AM EST
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You can get advice from a "wide range of economists" without ever once hearing from someone who believed there was a bubble in 2006.

And indeed, being a Hedge Fund Democrat, Geithner and Summers are the policy advice from within the world view of his wing of the party.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sun Jul 18th, 2010 at 09:48:12 AM EST
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So why does Obama "stay the course" even now? Guess it would not do to look at the work of those who did see a bubble in 2006 and tried to warn of it. Better to keep taking the advice of those who got us here.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Jul 18th, 2010 at 10:29:33 AM EST
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He's doing the same on Afghanistan.  I suspect he thinks he can't oppose Wall Street or the MIC directly, but has to try and transform them from with by co-opting some of their most prominent exponents.

The reality may be that the Presidency simply doesn't have the power to oppose Wall Street or the MIC, and the best he can do - he thinks - is the reform from within and play the long game.  Both wall street and the MIC can be very short term in their objectives, whereas I suspect Obama works to a longer strategic agenda.

Index of Frank's Diaries

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sun Jul 18th, 2010 at 10:35:34 AM EST
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He had a golden opportunity in early '09. He could have appointed someone like Simon Johnson as Sec. Treasury and Wm. K. Black as Chairman of the SEC. He could have simply blocked any additional spending of TARP money until he got major reform of the financial system. Roosevelt closed the banks until he got what he wanted. Obama didn't have to go nearly so far and could have had bi-partisan support, including Ron Paul, for such action. But, best as I can tell, that was unthinkable for Obama. That is the problem. Doing something now is much more difficult.

Had he taken steps that set the TBTFs on a path to being divided up into smaller companies and reformed the markets, he could have had the wind at his back for everything else. That is the problem with Obama: uncritical support for the existing order. He is more of an enabler than a reformer.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Jul 18th, 2010 at 12:02:52 PM EST
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One thing Obama is not is a revolutionary.  He always starts with the prevailing consensus as articulated by the powers that be and seeks to reform things from there.  That may be fine in "normal" times.  But in an era of strong tectonic shifts, where existing orthodoxies have fallen over a cliff, such gradualism can actually prologue the ancien regime.

Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sun Jul 18th, 2010 at 12:56:45 PM EST
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And what makes you think that he doesn't want to prolong the ancien regime?

Wait this is important. Someone is wrong on the Internet.
by generic on Sun Jul 18th, 2010 at 02:11:42 PM EST
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If by ancien regime you mean - as I do-= the post Reagon neo-con financial and chickenhawk elite - then he doesn't want to prolong it because he doesn't owe them anything - emotionally, intellectually, politically - and he tried hard to avoid being too financially dependent on them too by organising his own campaign financing org.

Now that the finance reg act has been passed, donations from that quarter have dried up anyway.  If he wants to fund his re-election, he has to look elsewhere.

Index of Frank's Diaries

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sun Jul 18th, 2010 at 02:26:05 PM EST
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he tried hard to avoid the appearance of being too financially dependent on them too by organising his own campaign financing org.

His hedge fund backers were crucial early and he went to great lengths to advertise his small donor fundraising to divert attention from the continuing, larger contributions from Wall Street. I think you are buying into his PR to an extent.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Jul 18th, 2010 at 09:55:34 PM EST
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Fair comment - I was aware of his larger fundraiser base as well - though not its exact sources - apart from Goldmann Sachs.  It would be interesting to know why hedge funds were early backers when Hillary was still regarded as strong favourite - perhaps she wasn't representing New York as they would have wanted.

Nevertheless Politicians stop doing the bidding of early backers all the time - perhaps as an incumbent, Obama now feels he is not as dependent on them.  He certainly won't get their support next time around - so Geithner should be worried as well.  Interesting to see whether Elizabeth Warren gets the big job

Index of Frank's Diaries

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Mon Jul 19th, 2010 at 04:59:03 AM EST
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Perhaps, but we still lack any real evidence that he wants to stop doing the bidding of his backers. If regulation isn't comprehensive it won't harm the vampire squids. So why wouldn't they support him the next time?

Wait this is important. Someone is wrong on the Internet.
by generic on Mon Jul 19th, 2010 at 04:04:14 PM EST
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Tackling the Military Industrial Complex is something that takes substantial jujitsu ... but wouldn't Obama "tackling" Wall Street be like Heskey tackling Rooney in WC qualifying ... its generally considered poor form to tackle members of your own team.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Jul 19th, 2010 at 12:49:28 AM EST
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  1. Heskey doesn't tackle
  2. He didn't have to - Rooney was ineffective anyway


Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Mon Jul 19th, 2010 at 04:52:37 AM EST
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Just two names I saw in retirement news - one who has, and one who should on his display against real competition as opposed to lower level Euro easy beats.

It would still be considered poor form to tackle someone playing on your team. Reason (1), though, also has a strong echo with the actual case at hand. Even with Big Oil, which is all-in behind the Republican party and who profits the most heavily from the conditions that seriously hurt the Dow, he backs away and gives them space to play.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Jul 19th, 2010 at 11:05:10 AM EST
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