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Nick Clegg: I changed my mind on spending cuts before general election | Politics | guardian.co.uk

Nick Clegg, the Liberal Democrat leader and deputy prime minister, has admitted that he changed his mind about the timing of spending cuts prior to the general election, despite publicly telling the electorate weeks before the poll that early deep cuts would be "economic masochism".

In what was seen as the biggest policy reversal of the coalition negotiations, the Lib Dems abandoned their policy of maintaining the government's economic stimulus through this financial year and backed a tougher Tory plan instead.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 29th, 2010 at 11:55:18 AM EST
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Is this the end of the lib dems?  the Australian democrats party died in a very similar way: They made a deal with the right wing party, and whatever reasons they claimed forced them to make the deal, the party died and has never been noteworthy since.  I know quite a few people who were active in the Aust Dems, and they all wash their hands of that period.
by njh on Thu Jul 29th, 2010 at 07:33:05 PM EST
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It is entirely possible. Under FPTP they face elecoral oblivion and AV is unlikely to be implemented due to hostility from conservatives, labour and associated media.

One of the things that is notable is that the Westminster representatives of the LDP are noticeably more right wing than their membership. The "Orange book group" (nothing to do with CD encoding) is an economic right wing set of ideas for socially liberal fiscal conservatives (where have we heard that before ?) and isvery influential in Westminster LDP circles, but seems to be reviled in the wider membership. I suspect that the right wing enthusiasms of the Westminster MPs have done for the party.

It is a shame. There will be no party here that is unashamedly socially liberal.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Jul 30th, 2010 at 06:46:02 AM EST
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Didn't Migeru comment sometime around the time that Clegg was elected that Clegg was on the right of the party, a sort of Liberal third way (and maybe no good will come of it) So we should have seen the coalition happening as occurred?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Jul 30th, 2010 at 06:56:13 AM EST
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It was pretty widely known he was on the right and I'm sure we discussed it then. I certainly felt it was a mistake not to have selected his challenger, Chris Huhne, and see no reason to change my mind.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Jul 30th, 2010 at 07:01:08 AM EST
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I did not vote in that leadership election as I hadn't been a party member for long enough, but I did comment this in the Salon for December 13, 2007.

Migeru:

Just looking at their websites, Clegg appears bland. I like this from Chris Huhne
I want to lead a party that is radical, green, honest and angry about the gross unfairness in Britain. We must change not just the Government, but our democracy and our society.
Apparently most Lib Dem members cannot see much in the way of policy differences between the two other than their positions on Trident, so they decide on things like character, judgement or background. I was a bit surprised that actually Trident was mentioned as the deciding issue by a number of people I talked to.
A month later I expanded on the Trident "policy difference"
there has been a bit of an internal foreign policy debate among the UK Liberal Democrats on the issue of Trident. One side advocates not replacing the Trident deployment. The other side advocates replacing them in order to use them as bargaining chips in future negotiations of global nuclear disarmament. I am not convinced about the bargaining chip argument.

Apparently this was one of the few substantive policy differences that most people saw between Nick Clegg and Chris Huhne during the recent leadership contest, and the guy with the bargaining chip won. I have to say I was mystified that this was the biggest difference people saw between the candidates, and even more mystified that anyone would claim to have decided their vote on the basis of this issue.

to which Helen politely explained:
I am not convinced about the bargaining chip argument.
That would be because it's complete horseshit. anyone that uses it is either fool or a bald-faced liar who thinks that you're a fool.
We discussed the putative "Liberal/Soc Dem split" in this thread to Chris Cook's diary UK Elections: the Endgame.

Interestingly, the latest development on Trident involves Tory budget austerity. Helen just yesterday:

Fox has obviously tried to ring fence Trident and Osborne has swatted him down, effectively telling him that he has to justify all of the cuts to the military himself. Or cut trident.


By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 30th, 2010 at 07:59:32 AM EST
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