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Do we really need stock markets???

  1. Stock markets are the chief means for entrepreneurs to "realize" their wealth generated by starting up or investing in a successful enterprise.

  2. They are the most efficient means identified for gathering in one spot the largest possible collection of "greater fools".

  3. They provide highly remunerative employment for the more sociopathic element of the middle and upper middle classes.

  4. How else is the general public and the mainstream media to know when times are good and when they are bad?

To the extent that we value those factors we need stock markets. Corporations, limited liability, immortality, etc. are all possible without stock markets.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Aug 26th, 2010 at 02:48:37 PM EST
nice summary, guess that means my diary is superfluous...

However, even though you say this so sarcastically, the tragedy is that most people simply don't see through the fog of the media and free-market / stock market zealots.

Being somewhat of a computer geek I often surf computer centric / silicon valley centric sites and I have noticed two things there:

  1. a LOT of people are totally obsessed with  pre-IPO stock option plans

  2. an increasing amount of people seem to be increasingly aware that IPOs are not that easy anymore and the alternative is currently to hope to get bought by some big company (e.g. Microsoft, google, yahoo,...) In that sense big established companies are substituing the stock exchanges. Now, if only they could somehow delist/go private...
by crankykarsten (cranky (where?) gmx dot organisation) on Thu Aug 26th, 2010 at 03:09:59 PM EST
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guess that means my diary is superfluous...

Hardly! I view them as the counter balance to santiago's statement of the value of stock markets.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Aug 26th, 2010 at 10:09:18 PM EST
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... / going private to society?

You've said you don't want to eliminate capitalism, which I take to mean corporate capitalism ("retaining" capitalism in the sense of eliminating corporate capitalism and instituting individual capitalism in its place would be about as wrenching a change as to syndicalism or communalism or resource feudalism), so what you are talking about is the same things going no, but with less accountability and more going on behind closed doors.

Indeed the bulk of the direct problems traced back to stock exchanges would be corrected by banning payment of executives in stock options maturing in under five years time and banning the incorporation of investment banking ... the problems from games played by derivatives traders are the problems of regulating any other casino, and are not due to the particular real or financial asset that the derivative is based on.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Aug 27th, 2010 at 09:46:34 PM EST
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