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It is not me that the Democrats have to worry about. I held my nose and voted for Humphry, for Mondale, for the idiot in a tank from Boston, will certainly hold my nose and vote for my local Blue Dogs and probably will vote for Obama in 2012, unless there is a more appealing alternative from a third party that seems actually to have a chance. For me voting is tactical. My opinions are my opinions and if the leaders of the Democratic Party care about them, they can try to so indicate by means other than cheap rhetoric. What they will lose is any enthusiasm from most on the left. (I didn't have much in '08 - hopes was about as far as it got.)

As far as the left withdrawing support, most will probably vote tactically for Democrats this year and for Obama in 2012 but be less willing to make small contributions. But while the Obama campaign made much of their online donors, they were not as significant as their financial sector donors. I doubt that the Obama machine gives a FF about small donations from the left. But they will be happy to blame disaffected progressives for their own failures. It won't be the progressives fault if the independents dessert the Democrats in droves, and I hope they don't...

Without trying to speak for others, I am not "trying to accomplish" anything other than letting pollsters, elected officials and candidates know what I want - more progressive policies and candidates. I am not going to change that just because "accomplishment" is improbable. Asking me "what I want to accomplish by criticizing Obama" attempts to shift responsibility for the results from their actions and policies to my attitudes. That is ridiculous.

That might not be what you intend by the question, but you are far from the first from whom I have heard that question. Booman was, in effect, asking the same question back in the summer of '08. Since then it has appeared any time the progressives complain about the direction of the Obama Administration. Probably within a few years some political guru will step forth and claim credit for coming up with that question for the Obama campaign, though it is likely as old as politics.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Sep 1st, 2010 at 03:43:54 PM EST
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"what I want to accomplish by criticizing Obama" ~ it has appeared any time the progressives complain about the direction of the Obama Administration

Again, you're misrepresenting what I said and conflating criticism of direction or action with personal criticism.  There's a major difference.  I was asking my question in regards to the latter.  I'm amazed by how defensive you are about it -- claiming it contains framing, was focussed-grouped, and now that a political guru would want credit for it.  

If you post your opinions in a public forum, especially a political discussion site, then they are no longer simply 'your opinions.'  They're an attempt to persuade or inform others.  When you write and publish, you're taking an action.  As such, it's perfectly valid for me to ask what you hope to accomplish by it.  

Asking it is not some bullshit genius political frame or an attempt to 'silence' you or to 'shift blame' or whatever other narrative you have in your head.  It's an honest question.  Sorry it makes you so uncomfortable.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 1st, 2010 at 04:46:41 PM EST
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