I am NOT "complaining" that you're not "cheering"...
If space aliens abducted Obama and his entire administration and they were never heard from again that might put us further down the road to accomplishing goals that are vital to our survival than Obama seems likely to accomplish in the time that remains to him. At least there would be the possibility of a real leader emerging. As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
There you go filling in your narrative for me again -- where did I say you should support him (or, below, stay silent)? Are the only choices either supporting him or making personal attacks? Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
I'm asking what good your tactic of criticizing him personally is doing.
There is no obligation of loyalty on my part to Obama or the Democratic Party. I have been a registered Democrat since 1964 and have, I believe, always voted for Democratic candidates, not out of principle, but as a tactic. Since 1965 I have become accustomed to being in strong disagreement with the policies of Democratic Presidents. It is not my role to fall in line with the leadership. There role is to decide if my vote and the votes of people with similar views are worth accommodating. In truth, there is no party that has really represented my views. There have only been occasional candidates that came close, such as Eugene McCarthy and George McGovern.
I am becoming more and more convinced that the only way forward is via a political realignment into a Reform Party that has as its prime objective dismantling the financial capture of Washington DC by the financial elites and fundamental reform of campaign finance. There are dangers in this approach, as the paleocons, such as Paul Craig Roberts, and the libertarians, such as Ron Paul, have very different social agendas. But we are, I fear, approaching the point at which the danger of the current system is even greater.
The effectiveness of Obama's political leadership has been such that the Democrats may well loose the House in November and loose ground in the Senate. The economy will continue to deteriorate and may well experience another collapse before November 2012 that is worse than that of October '08. Blaiming all of this on Bush will not cut it by then and we could well have a new Republican President with a Republican majority in both houses. We could then be reduced to hoping that there would even be future elections. As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
you have complaints and we're all fucking doomed.
I am NOT "complaining" that you're not "cheering"and I'd thank you not to put words in my mouth.
For those of us who feel that where Obama is leading the nation is worse than where we are there is an answer to the question: "It shows those who are not too arrogant to listen that the policies they are following are losing them the support of a section of their former supporters." and "It provides a means for former supporters to show that they are not complicit in policies that they believe will prove disastrous."
It is probably going to be a bloodbath for Democrats in November. "What good will it do them to blame the defeat on leftwing bloggers?" Well, it IS handy to have a scapegoat. Perhaps even some of the Kossacks will have learned a lesson. As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
That's ridiculous -- it's a direct question -- "what do you hope to accomplish" -- not a 'rhetorical device" to "silence the opposition." It's not like I asked why you hate Obama/the left/america, etc. where there was an accusation included.
If you have a defensive response to the question and are wondering why, perhaps it has more to do with your answer than the question. Which I thank you for FINALLY answering, despite surrounding it by further accusations and suppositions.
For those of us who feel that where Obama is leading the nation is worse than where we are there is an answer to the question: "It shows those who are not too arrogant to listen that the policies they are following are losing them the support of a section of their former supporters." ...It is probably going to be a bloodbath for Democrats in November."
"It provides a means for former supporters to show that they are not complicit in policies that they believe will prove disastrous."
So if I'm reading this correctly, you believe Obama is making things worse, that the Dems will lose power, and that this is ok because 'the left' is withdrawing support for principled reasons? And... you want to be vocal about why, but don't want any blame later? Does this make any sense to you? Do you have any thoughts on what might work to help the situation? or is it impossible? Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
As far as the left withdrawing support, most will probably vote tactically for Democrats this year and for Obama in 2012 but be less willing to make small contributions. But while the Obama campaign made much of their online donors, they were not as significant as their financial sector donors. I doubt that the Obama machine gives a FF about small donations from the left. But they will be happy to blame disaffected progressives for their own failures. It won't be the progressives fault if the independents dessert the Democrats in droves, and I hope they don't...
Without trying to speak for others, I am not "trying to accomplish" anything other than letting pollsters, elected officials and candidates know what I want - more progressive policies and candidates. I am not going to change that just because "accomplishment" is improbable. Asking me "what I want to accomplish by criticizing Obama" attempts to shift responsibility for the results from their actions and policies to my attitudes. That is ridiculous.
That might not be what you intend by the question, but you are far from the first from whom I have heard that question. Booman was, in effect, asking the same question back in the summer of '08. Since then it has appeared any time the progressives complain about the direction of the Obama Administration. Probably within a few years some political guru will step forth and claim credit for coming up with that question for the Obama campaign, though it is likely as old as politics. As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
Again, you're misrepresenting what I said and conflating criticism of direction or action with personal criticism. There's a major difference. I was asking my question in regards to the latter. I'm amazed by how defensive you are about it -- claiming it contains framing, was focussed-grouped, and now that a political guru would want credit for it.
If you post your opinions in a public forum, especially a political discussion site, then they are no longer simply 'your opinions.' They're an attempt to persuade or inform others. When you write and publish, you're taking an action. As such, it's perfectly valid for me to ask what you hope to accomplish by it.
Asking it is not some bullshit genius political frame or an attempt to 'silence' you or to 'shift blame' or whatever other narrative you have in your head. It's an honest question. Sorry it makes you so uncomfortable. Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes