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So you think continuing to support someone with no obvious interest in systemic progressive change - no plans, no road map, no agenda, no initiatives - is going to get you progressive change?

How is that supposed to work, exactly?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Sep 1st, 2010 at 11:56:03 PM EST
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... Obama is not on the ballot to support or oppose.

Its Boehner or Pelosi, that's the contest, a far less photogenic one, and so the press covers a contest that is not there.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 12:45:08 AM EST
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Except that mid-terms are a referendum on leadership.

When people were sick of Bush in 2006 they voted in the Dems for change - not because the Dems were saying or doing anything interesting, but because Bush wasn't.

Elections are mostly lost, not won.

Obama's lack of interest in setting any kind of agenda beyond a rhetorical meeja one is doing huge damage to the Dem brand.

Gut punching people who point this out - like Izzy is trying to do - is just shooting the messenger.

'But Palin would be worse' isn't an argument for anything much, except failure.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 01:49:13 AM EST
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See, if you'd said this while we were having a fight in OT, I wouldn't have had to have spent yesterday writing this diary.

Obama's lack of interest in setting any kind of agenda beyond a rhetorical meeja one is doing huge damage to the Dem brand.

Gut punching people who point this out - like Izzy is trying to do - is just shooting the messenger.

'But Palin would be worse' isn't an argument for anything much, except failure.



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 08:44:59 AM EST
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... interest for the midterms to be a referendum on the leadership of Obama, since Obama's team has not been working to consolidate on the victories of 2006 and 2008 in the House and Senate, but rather only on gaining re-election for themselves.

And likewise in the Democrat's interest to make it a referendum on the leadership of the Do-Nothing Republicans in the Senate versus the Do-Something Democrats in the House.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 10:53:40 AM EST
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The Republicans are likely to win that one, because leadership votes are always personal.

If people get what they wanted from a leader they're happy, and a warm halo of approval envelops his (her) lucky party.

If not - they're angry and they want revenge.

This isn't a very sophisticated world view, but it's how voting seems to work empirically.

Selling Senate/House issues is always harder than picking on the leader.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 11:09:18 AM EST
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I don't see the impersonal in Boehner and McConnell as corporate whores wrecking the country's government to make their paymasters happy.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 11:31:24 AM EST
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Consider the possibility that you may be more sophisticated than most voters. :)

The percentage of voters who have never heard of Boehner isn't going to be small. The percentage who have any idea what his record isn't going to be much smaller.

Most people know who the president is, and have an opinion on the president.

But minority leaders? Not so much, I think.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 11:35:02 AM EST
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I was not referring to prognosticating, I was referring to the fight itself. Making it personal about more than Obama is the name of the game. When fighting to save the deck chairs as the ship goes down, you throw whatever you can find at the challenge.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 05:02:53 PM EST
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