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AT, you should bookmark this and any other similar comments and comb through earlier comments, plus any thing you have in writing and can think of to the end of putting together a manual - unless a better on already exists. It could be valuable during the next two years in many areas.

There are lots of ways to go about getting a better candidate. In many places it is possible for a progressive to be a successful candidate as a Democrat, and that should be pursued, probably as the first option at this time. In many places there are third parties who qualify for state or federal funding under current rules, if these have not been totally thrown out. A solid third party candidate can put significant pressure on a major party candidate and this can be used in lots of ways. But just having built a progressive infrastructure would be a big step forward. Next time that infrastructure could be instrumental in getting a progressive as the major party candidate.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 04:41:04 PM EST
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Thank you for your kind words.

Realistically, there's thousands of people out there who know, more better than I, what needs to be done and how to do it.  Before Obama wrecked it Dean's 50 State Strategy was the framework for a national implementation.

The knowledge is out there and has been for a long time.  In 1946, for example, Heinlein - yup THAT Heinlein - wrote a book Take Back Your Government based on his experience in EPIC laying it all out -- as I recall, haven't read it in donkey's years.  

All I'm doing is throwing pop bottles out of the left center field bleachers at the on-field players, like Montereyan, whom I'm sure already knows it.

by ATinNM on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 05:43:40 PM EST
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Realistically, there's thousands of people out there who know, more better than I, what needs to be done and how to do it.

Like these folks.

by ATinNM on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 05:47:42 PM EST
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The problem is that all this institutional knowledge and these organizing skills have been lost to most people. That process started earlier, but by the 1990s it was gone. Folks who learned how to do retail politics and to do effective organizing were either shoved aside or for whatever other reason chose to leave the scene by the mid-90s, so that when a new movement came along in 2002-03 to rebuild a progressive movement from the bottom up, they had to start from scratch and generally didn't have the skilled old hands around to mentor them. Instead they had the '90s-era consultantocracy which STILL dominates Democratic campaigns and the staffs of elected Democratic officials, people who don't really have a clue what they're doing but managed to build their niche between 1995 and 2005 or so and by default were the folks who held the keys when the big influx of activists came in during the '00s.

It pains me to think of where we might be now had the knowledge of the '30s-era activists, or even the '60s and '70s-era folks, been the dominant skillset among the political class. But it isn't, the '90s saw a huge shift toward corporate neoliberalism, and so we have to reclaim that knowledge from the past and relearn those skills ourselves.

I count myself among the latter group - the influx of activists. Until 2008 I was just a blogger. At that time I saw an opportunity to do more than just write, but to actually try and implement change on the ground. I've been lucky enough to find full-time employment at doing so, but everything we do is still too deeply rooted in the '90s model I just described, and not rooted enough in the successful models you've been articulating here.

As progressives start looking around for solutions after the coming disaster on November 2, what you've laid out here ought to be a central part of the discussion.

And the world will live as one

by Montereyan (robert at calitics dot com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 07:19:48 PM EST
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Oh the people are there.  They just aren't involved in Democratic Party politics.  Ask around and you'll find them.

What about hooking up with the Santa Cruz people: Gary Patton, Michael Rotkin, and Katherine Beiers?  

by ATinNM on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 09:10:15 PM EST
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Gary Patton and I are on opposite sides of the issues - he's spending his time helping Palo Alto and other cities fight the high speed rail project. There are other folks I'm in touch with in Santa Cruz who have the necessary experience and aren't fighting to preserve the status quo, however, who would be much more interested in this stuff.

Maybe we should take this discussion offline? My email's right next to my username.

And the world will live as one

by Montereyan (robert at calitics dot com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 09:25:46 PM EST
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