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That the American Revolution would succeed was highly improbable. It required that the British hand be played incredibly badly. Yet it happened.

interesting point, ARG, well nailed...

the more i think about it, the repugs are in a way an historical extension of the same values that drove the brits back then, an unholy potage of empah, pecuniary militarism, racist blather, exceptionalist pomp and circumstance.

oh yes, and teh stupid.

we just have to hope the repugs can be that stupid, so gains can be made closer to the ground, with the election of more progs at grassroots level.

i agree with izzy that pointless sniping will do more to help the R's than anything else, but this isn't poutrage here at ET, it's grief, and re-strategising, plus a normal amount of venting.

my guess is obama is the best we'll get for a while, the dems do not have so many potential great statesmen in the visible wings, which is again why so many people aren't mincing their words of criticism, and neither should we, imo. if obama, a highly intelligent -and on the campaign trail a very perspicacious- man, can be shamed into honouring the promises he consciously made then, only then would we be able to hook up the symbolic victory of obama with the energies of social justice and fairness to the underprivileged promoted by MLK, and cherished by so many who voted for him, without checking too carefully whence came the bulk of his campaign contributions.

there were some, like myself, who thought even wall st had come around to seeing great change was needed, if they wanted a fat enough society to be worth leeching off of. haha.

expect the unpetty pilfering to stop... good one.

if the country were riding on a rising tide of joy at what obama had done since auguration, these midterms would be a piece of cake, progressive dems would be self selecting, more graysons and franklens would be coming out the woodwork, and blue dogs would be with their forked tails between their political legs.

instead we have dems avoiding obama coming to help their campaigns!

unreal, how history's gyre is tightening so swiftly...

obama will find out about serving two masters, and why it's not smart as it seems. you end up irrelevant to both.

if obams is as big a charlatan as i fear (on bad days), then he was just the last chance for soft, subtle fascism offered the american electorate. (bearing in mind how soft the folks getting droned abroad, or tazered at home find it), and if he fails, the velvet gloves will have to come off, as american joeblows wake up and find out not only that america is no longer king rooster of the global dungheap, but their relatives are sleeping under bridges, while banksters dine off plates of gold, as of yore.

soft fascism will not be enough at that point to hold them to their task of making banksters even richer, and that's when the deathwish so graphically expressed by the Twank here at ET, will have its way.

so to summarise, tis this the reason the sniping gets so angry it crosses lines of taste and decorum.

the basement's on fire, the roof's caving in, folks' retirement money and dreams are melting away to smoke, the poor are looking down the mineshaft of the future without the diehard myth of the 'american dream' to sustain them, the age of basking in some rosy glow of exceptionalism fades to the grim acknowledgment that they're competing with the chinese et al working for a dime an hour. and. no. unions... and al quaida is swelling its ranks in all kinds of fun places to fight in like yemen and somalia, and plotting the next 9-11, while the US GDP consists more and more of spoonfeeding israel (and other hotspots) more weapons, and 'security equipment'. (mustn't forget the 'legal services either')

those on the middle floors of the house are still eating their lunch, wondering what that ruckus above and below them can possibly be...

can't imagine why those adept at sniffing the wind are turning purple at how obama is placematting while the orcs are climbing in the windows, meanwhile we should stfu to fight the good fight.

uh-huh. rooting for obama, for who else is there? but not that way... the problems we have can only be solved by freer media, and here we have a chance still to know how that feels. hushing criticism out of fear is not how it works.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Sep 4th, 2010 at 01:22:25 AM EST
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if obama, a highly intelligent -and on the campaign trail a very perspicacious- man, can be shamed into honouring the promises he consciously made...

I don't recall the context, probably Afghanistan, but I do recall Gibbs telling a reporter that Obama sleeps well at night and had no problems with his decisions. I think that is probably true in general and that he feels he has been correct in his judgments and justified in everything he has done. Progressive, to him, does not involve confronting the corporatist bankers. Sadly.

He can't or won't consider that the analysis of the economic situation on which his administration has been proceeding is seriously lacking and that the current situation is unsustainable. Denial is a powerful defense for the psyche. It works perfectly right up until it fails catastrophically.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Sep 4th, 2010 at 11:01:36 AM EST
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... I do recall Gibbs telling a reporter that Obama sleeps well at night and had no problems with his decisions.

Finally an honest statement! My view? Obama is as much a self-centered SOB as Bush. He sleeps well at night because the only people he TRULY cares about are hinself, his wife, his kids, maybe his extended family. Beyond that ... forget it, wishful thinking. Is he ever going to be out of work? Hungry? Homeless? What about his children? How's poor Chelsea Clinton doing?

You people who want to think the best about Obama are deluding yourself in order to justify your 2008 vote. Wake the fuck up!

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sat Sep 4th, 2010 at 11:25:04 AM EST
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Just encourage those you tutor to vote this fall, even if it is for the least disgusting candidate. The ultimate victory for those who support the existing system is for their opponents to stay at home out of apathy.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Sep 4th, 2010 at 12:29:31 PM EST
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As I do; I vote against what I hate rather than for what I like. Under first past the post that is all you can do.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 06:04:16 AM EST
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i agree with izzy that pointless sniping will do more to help the R's than anything else
... and therefore its application invites pointless effort devoted to identifying what is "pointless sniping", and of course also to pointless defenses of Obama which do more to help depress Democratic turnout and help the R's than anything else.

Time and effort wasted  in identifying and targetting something as "pointless sniping" is time and effort that could be turned to less futile and unconstructive ends.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Sep 4th, 2010 at 03:33:48 PM EST
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