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I think of the real geezers, like my parents (87 and 93 still living) who recall a time without electricity, the telephone, commercial air transport, the automobile, antibiotics, vaccines, indoor plumbing, radio, refrigerators, store bought conveniences like soap, butter, toilet paper, etc, etc. Sure some of those things existed then, but not for them. Still, I probably think about their generation in that context more often than they do. Mom seems almost embarrassed about how they lived, but for me they and those who preceded us are true heroes.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Fri Sep 3rd, 2010 at 09:06:25 PM EST
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My father would be 100 and my mother 80 were they still alive. My paternal grandfather was born in 1850 in Tennessee, near Nashville, orphaned at 10 in the boot-heel of Missouri on the eve of the Civil War. My paternal grandmother was the eldest daughter of his childhood friend who homesteaded a property on the side of a mountain in western Arkansas, a few miles from Oklahoma. He built the house she grew up in, which I visited in 1954 at age 11. My paternal grandfather was a horsedrawn man who died in 1932. He never drove a car, but he did drive the "kiddie waggon" for the local school district in northern Oklahoma in the '20s. So my thoughts often go back to my parents and grandparents and how different in many ways their worlds really were.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Sep 3rd, 2010 at 11:02:22 PM EST
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Sounds like our ancestors took similar paths (ending in Arkansas where I was born) and shared many of the hardships associated with pioneer life. I have looked at many of those lives while researching my family history and it has remained a source of amazement for me to realize just how much we take for granted today.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Fri Sep 3rd, 2010 at 11:45:02 PM EST
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Yeah. Arkansas and the Arkansas River were gateways into Oklahoma and Kansas territories. On my mother's side it reads like something out of a McMurtry novel. My maternal grandfather came from Indiana, participated in cattle drives from the Big Bend to Dodge City with Charlie Goodnight, had a store in Dodge and then went to Oklahoma during the land rush. Had a farm, a ranch and a general store in an oil boom town just east of Bartlesville. He was an alternate delegate to the state constitutional convention and an officer in the local bank. Lost most of it in the Depression. He always had a new car until the crash. He suffered a broken back in an automobile accident in the mid '30s and died in the late 30s. Ten children in the families on each side, though my paternal grandmother was Granddad's second wife. He had three children, the oldest of whom was 18 when he married my grandmother. He was 40, she was 18 and the eldest daughter of his childhood friend from Little Rock, where he lived after his parents died.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Sep 4th, 2010 at 01:30:52 AM EST
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It is still within living memory (including that of some of the surviving U.S. troops from WW2) that much of the U.S. had unpaved roads, no telephones in all homes, and little or no rural electricity.

I suspect it may have made them better soldiers, able to cope with the rigors of life in the field.

But as the books of that time go out of print, the collective memory dies off.

by Mnemosyne on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 12:47:13 PM EST
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