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I think part of the problem is we are using a term, consciousness, that we identify primarily with human beings, and are applying it to non-human subjects.

Agree.  Humans tend to anthropomorphize and project which tends to make the word "consciousness" as much a reflection of the person using the word as the organism or entity being labeled.  Also "consciousness" carries historic and Pop-Psychology baggage which quickly turns the conversation into a 'unhelpful' direction and area.

One can test for Awareness and, to some extent, for Self-Reference making them, in my view, more precise thus better.

by ATinNM on Wed Sep 8th, 2010 at 09:51:57 AM EST
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Practically consciousness seems to mean abstraction, time displacement of both memory and future possibilities, and language, which helps with all of the above.

Animals have a very limited ability to plan, recollect, and abstract, so we tend not to think of them as conscious.

Many Republicans also have a very limited ability to plan, recollect, and abstract, so it's not entirely clear which species they belong to.

The Sapiens part of Homo Sapiens may be unrealistically optimistic in their case.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Sep 8th, 2010 at 10:27:02 AM EST
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"Consciousness" is a portmanteau word which means just about what someone says it means.  Leading to a dreary and lengthy round of "what are you talking about?"

After a while that gets to be a bit of a bore.

by ATinNM on Wed Sep 8th, 2010 at 10:41:18 AM EST
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I think you meant 'sportmanteau'...

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Sep 9th, 2010 at 01:51:33 AM EST
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The methodological insistence on avoiding antropomorphism leads to denying, by fiat, that animals can do the things that are culturally perceived as quintessentially human. And that which cannot be is not seen or is explained away as antropomorphism.

Or at least so argue modern ethologists, such as Frans de Waal.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 8th, 2010 at 11:19:04 AM EST
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Another error stemming from egotism, I'd say.  

"Quintessentially Human" stuff is dwindling all the time.  Tools, for example, are used/done by spiders, sea otters, chimpanzees, octopi, and other species with varying degrees of cognitive ability, adaption of the tool, adaption to the tool, etc. etc.  The one thing Humans can do that other animals don't, to the same degree, is our complex social groupings used to allow us to exist in a diverse range of ecological niches.

by ATinNM on Wed Sep 8th, 2010 at 12:45:08 PM EST
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The methodological insistence on avoiding anything perceived as anthropomorphism has led them into an intellectual cul de sac. There is a similar problem with "conspiracy theories", even if deriving from different motivations.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Sep 8th, 2010 at 02:38:29 PM EST
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