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melo:
the guy reeks of rattery, imo. thoroughly uninspiring, creepy crew all around

You are extrapolating from your opinions of Tony Blair.  I've worked with some of DM's team on the community organising stuff and they are all good people.  DM can't be accused of not inspiring people given the reaction I saw in that huge room in London.

The issue is that politics is conducted like this - with every aspect of everything a candidate does being subject to training and rehearsal and analysis of what the voters want and how to give it to them.  It prevents people who want to be genuine from being totally genuine.  

I couldn't be a pure version of myself when running for selection or I'd never have gained any votes, but I certainly didn't compromise my values or my relationship with the voters and that made me different because people knew they were connecting with someone who was authentic. But I didn't win because I didn't quite convince them that I was a 'politician' who was ready to be thrown into the rough and tumble world of a general election.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 04:52:15 AM EST
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In Wales:
It prevents people who want to be genuine from being totally genuine.  

'it' being? a consensus that politics is inauthentic?

not much sense playing if the rules aren't clear...

i'd vote for diane abbott, but i think that she's probably a stooge too.

now that the libdems have sold out, not even that slime vestige of hope remains, no wonder there are so many young, disaffected people in britain. when the working class have only DM to be their champion, well it beggars belief how thoroughly gamed the whole shebang is.

your faith in the future is what i'd bet on, i wish there were choices that really reflected that, and instead of discounting authenticity from the get-go, actually valued it.

till then...


~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 05:16:04 AM EST
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It being the way politics is conducted by the politicians and the people.  People say they want 'real' people as their representatives who are authentic and not part of some elite but then those people are more likely to lack the smoothness and carefully rehearsed charm that gets others elected.

So people say they want one thing but keep on voting in something else.  There are exceptions obviously but in the main those who dominate in politics are of a certain mold and cracking that involves members and voters thinking more carefully about what they value in their representatives.  The 'qualities' that people vote for in selections and elections tend to favour men. Again and again and again.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 05:36:03 AM EST
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Ed Miliband gets my vote for this line if for nothing else (good article btw).....

Mash the state - Prospect Magazine « Prospect Magazine

One thing Berners-Lee did have was star power. As Shadbolt puts it: "Secretaries of state and ministers were more interested in meeting him than the other way around." At a meeting with the cabinet this even brought a rare moment of humour, Shadbolt recalls. Berners-Lee was introduced by the prime minister; Jack Straw then said: "Meeting the man who invented the web is like meeting the man who first invented the wheel." Ed Miliband shot back: "And what was the wheel man like, back when you met him too, Jack?" It took a little time to restore order amidst gales of laughter.

A warm sense of humour is a very positive quality and a quick wit implies an agile mind.

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 07:56:49 AM EST
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melo:
the guy reeks of rattery, imo. thoroughly uninspiring, creepy crew all around

You are extrapolating from your opinions of Tony Blair.  I've worked with some of DM's team on the community organising stuff and they are all good people.  DM can't be accused of not inspiring people given the reaction I saw in that huge room in London.

I note that a failure to inspire people was not the problem with Bliar, either.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 05:43:18 AM EST
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i think people are inspired, but by their own idealism, not the dear leader of the moment, no matter how dearly the media want to create cults of personality, these people are too smooth from incessant telegenenic tweaking, they don't mean anything to anyone except a hook to hang hope on (and from). intelligent, yes, but so are rats.

sorry to be so dyspeptic, but brit politics is what does it. (when italian politics doesn't, lol)

what's tragic is the breadth of native, regenerating idealism, forced into such narrow conduits. how to fix that unfortunately i have no idea, so i'll shut up.

ultimately energy issues are going to trump (and purify) politics, and it can't happen soon enough for my poor spleen...

then we'll see how far inauthenticity will be tolerated, and truth might return to politics.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 09:33:21 AM EST
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