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Fast-growing GM salmon 'safe to be farmed and eaten' - Telegraph
Genetically modified salmon which grow at twice the speed of their natural counterparts are safe to be farmed and eaten, US regulators have ruled.

The decision by scientists from the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) paves the way for the first GM animal to be sold as food.

The fish, called AquAdvantage salmon, could be on American plates within two to three years, raising fears among environmental and food-safety campaigners.

What happens when one of those Salmons escapes and mates with wild ones?

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 01:36:56 PM EST
What happens when something eats it and incorporates the gene for giantism into itself and then reproduces ? Especially if that something ain't good for the river ecosystem.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:00:28 PM EST
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Virtually, if not totally, impossible. I don't think gene transfer works that way even in bacteria, which use plasmids. Viruses are a more likely candidate for gene transfer than direct consumption of flesh.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:51:31 PM EST
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There's Epigenetic inheritance as well.  I defer exposition to those who know what they are talking about.
by ATinNM on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:03:03 PM EST
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Yes, as through mitochondria, but were carnivores able to incorporate the genes of what they eat it seems to my untutored sensibility that this would have destabilized their genome.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:12:08 PM EST
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Ah, folks, you do realize that there is something called "digestion"? I had a tomato sandwich this morning and I haven't turned red yet.

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:21:01 PM EST
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Yes and there is also such a thing as Resistance Transfer Affect where the gut bacteria have developed resistance to antibiotics and "bad" bacteria have stolen it.
by ATinNM on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:26:25 PM EST
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So give me the bad news scenario, starting from: Twank goes on a daily Frankenfish diet. What exactly, biologically, biochemically happens? I'm lost.

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:33:09 PM EST
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Beats my pair of Aces.  

Foodthing-gummies come in, stuff happens, other stuff happens because of the first stuff happening, loop, repeat, and then other other stuff happens and some stuff stops happening.

(You heard it here, first.  :-)

by ATinNM on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:51:35 PM EST
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Well that was informative!  Anyone else?

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:57:22 PM EST
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You'll grow gills, which isn't necessarily a bad thing now is it?

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 05:19:53 PM EST
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Could be useful after another 2-3oC rise in ambient temperature.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 11:32:01 PM EST
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They discover that you carry the patented gene, and you become the property of Aqua Bounty Technologies Inc.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 05:22:55 PM EST
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Is this something you folks would like me to look into? I've a feeling you're worrying about nothing but I lean biochemical and Truffles loves fish. I'm biased.

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:39:59 PM EST
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If you can find more facts I think everybody would really appreciate it.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:49:19 PM EST
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OK, let me get to work on it.

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:50:28 PM EST
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Not a population biologist, obviously, but wild salmon are optimized to survive in the wild (and still most die before they can mate), while these are just optimized to get fat, which is probably a tradeoff against some other survival characteristic.

I would imagine the likelihood is that they wouldn't survive in the wild. But we can't be sure.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:52:00 PM EST
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You can go to the company website at

http://www.aquabounty.com/products/products-295.aspx

but it's nothing more than an ad. I suspect that even a phone call to one of their scientists won't give me more than company bullshit.

Will they escape? Will they successfully breed? Look at it like drilling for oil ... expect the worst. These clowns are out to make money, PERIOD!

The downside of human consumption ... very little; that's why you have a stomach and small intestine, unless the fish are full of sterols and poison.

The information you need is locked up in the company research notebooks and only a Wikileak event will give you the truth, if the information IS there.

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:09:18 PM EST
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Will they escape?

Yes.

Will they successfully breed?

Yes.

Look at it like drilling for oil ... expect the worst. These clowns are out to make money, PERIOD!

Science and Technology at the service of sociopaths.

How truly wonderful.  

by ATinNM on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:18:27 PM EST
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Hey, I keep saying we're in deep shit. China runs the corporations. Corporations run our governments. The governments make the rules. They have plenty of armies, bombs, police, jails, etc. to enforce the rules. They have control of much of the media and they're dumbing down kids like it's Brave New World (sort of).

So YEAH, not good.

Excuse me while I continue to manufacture my endospore coating.

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:27:02 PM EST
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Will they successfully breed?

But the real question is: "Will their progeny out-compete wild salmon?" Doubtful. Hormones, pollution and increased anti-biotic resistant bacteria are the likely downsides. Already, if wild salmon get near salmon farm pens they are at risk for infections present in farmed salmon but not in wild and controlled by anti-biotics to which the wild salmon dont' have access. The wild salmon should have Medicare Part D.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 11:38:39 PM EST
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