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Betterment of mankind definitely. Just like business done on a golf course, business done in the lodge eliminates all possibility of female competition. It's a low form of quiet corruption that works against everybody eventually, especially when it infects local government. It's just a subtle form of wealth capture and keeping the good stuff for the made-guys.

Also their penetration into the judiciary and police services has led to serious miscarriages of justice.

Maybe it's different in the US, but we'd be better off without 'em here

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:09:23 PM EST
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But not Teabaggers and not Mafia. But at the top of the list of their charities are widows and orphans, and that often extends to mentoring of orphans. I benefited greatly from the attention of a Mason who was the DeMolay dad of our local chapter, even though I moved beyond the Goldwater conservatism he found congenial once I got to college. A good man.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:47:08 PM EST
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I don't deny that many individual masons are good people. Any more than I deny that their charities are very generous. It's just that the fortunes that spawn such generosity may well include a certain amount of insider-preference business creation that is the low order corruption I intend. And such low order corruptions can be careless of greater damages to wider society

I believe JaP wrote about the privatisation of welfare under the guise of charity. It is all very well caring for widows and orphans and even fluffy kittens, but such sentiments are very poor antennae for finding the greatest needs in society.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:10:10 PM EST
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Nor do I, or, I suspect, MfM challenge that assertion. Stereotypes are often true to a considerable extent, but their unfairness is in where and when they are not.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:51:17 PM EST
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You do realize that by asserting a conspiratorial role for freemasonry you've placed yourself in the esteemed company of Adolph Hitler, the Franco regime in Spain, and numerous other dictatorships of various stripes, right?

Remember that when they came for the Jews and the Communists that the Freemasons were on that list too.

Sigh.....

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:48:48 PM EST
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A suggestion that a taking advantage of the opportunities for low-order corruption in masonic lodges is endemic isn't quite the same thing as distributing the Protocols of the Elders of Sion, or even the Priory of Sion.

Simply saying that people do a lot of business in lodges that freezes out non-masons, particularly women, ain't quite at the level of saying there is a worldwide conspiracy to channel babies for shape-shifting Lizard people's feasts.

A car backfiring is not an enabler for nuclear conflict

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:28:31 PM EST
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Yes.

Claiming that Jews steal Gentile babies to drain them of their blood is nothing like claiming that the Elders of Zion manipulate world politics.

Sigh......

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:49:54 PM EST
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Helen:
Also their penetration into the judiciary and police services has led to serious miscarriages of justice.

I know you don't like backing up what you say with references, but that one really calls for some.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:07:39 PM EST
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there must have a been something of a case to answer because of a rash of masonic related outrages that spilled over the investigatory pages of Private eye and even onto television especially during the late 70s and early 80s, not least  the John Poulson affair (yes I know it was a 60s thing, but a lot of the fallout happened 10 years later), after which a Parliamentary Inquiry in Britain resulted in Freemasonry becoming a declarable interest in public employment, especially in the Judicial System and Police.

Sadly, a lot of this is pre-internet and not searchable

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:21:04 PM EST
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Just that sort of affair in upstate New York in the mid-19th century led to the dissolution of the lodges that had existed since colonial times in the USA. The present lodges date from the end of the 19th century and were a new foundation.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:54:14 PM EST
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