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Ethical concerns about eating animals in the first place are a completely different matter, and are pretty much religiously based anyway. Good luck on that argument.

My arse. [it is chicken.]

Personally, I'm a non-practising vegetarian. (In religious matters, not that it's relevant, I'm an atheist Anglican.)

As a fairly-strict vegetarian during 20 years, my motivations were 90% ethical. If you want to classify ethics as religion, that's your problem, but it's a huge blunder in my view.

My first instinct is to categorize my ethical base as "humanist", but that would be rather comical, in the context. In fact I was heavily influenced by Peter Singer's modern utilitarianism. It's all about maximising wellbeing and minimising suffering, and who are we to draw distinctions about whose suffering doesn't matter?

In fact, everyone draws their own distinctions, on a scale that runs from cannibalism through horses, dogs, cats, cows, etc, all the way down to snails and oysters. I drew the line at warm-blooded animals (mammals and birds), declaring them to be my kin, and the rest to be not worth worrying about. So I happily ate fish, mussels, etc. The only real borderline case being frogs.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Sep 9th, 2010 at 06:04:15 AM EST
Say "irrational superstition". I was, of course, and naturally, being a bit snide. You'll get used to it.

I don't eat horses or dog. For no good reason - especially horse - except that I'm quite fond of some of them and don't eat their brethren on that basis.

I've never seen any especially rational ethical basis for vegetarianism  that isn't a justification for a starting position of vegetarianism.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Sep 9th, 2010 at 06:38:18 AM EST
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http://www.ecobooks.com/books/animalib.htm

Animal Liberation, by Peter Singer. The starting position is not vegetarianism, but a rejection of the absolute distinction between human and non-human.

Singer is not the slightest bit sentimental, he is terrifyingly rigorous.

(Snide is not a probem... I speak snide.)

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Sep 9th, 2010 at 07:00:16 AM EST
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I'll stick it on my wishlist (no Kindle version? <sigh>), but this doesn't engender confidence:
"This book is about the tyranny of human over nonhuman animals. This tyranny has caused and today is still causing an amount of pain and suffering that can only be compared with that which resulted from the centuries of tyranny by white humans over black humans. The struggle against this tyranny is a struggle as important as any of the moral and social issues that have been fought in recent years."
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Sep 9th, 2010 at 07:07:20 AM EST
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is that he has given a rigorous philosophical foundation for all the sentimentalists in the world, so you're likely to find him quoted by all sorts of people whom I would have no truck with.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Thu Sep 9th, 2010 at 09:47:39 AM EST
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And I don't assume any absolute distinction between human and non-human, apart from the obvious biological facts.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Sep 9th, 2010 at 07:10:02 AM EST
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